# Senator Frist wants Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2003, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211 "2003-06-29T20:04:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/21 "2003-06-29T21:31:22Z")
Well, Duke, I’d say you need the remedial reading class more than the others. Unless you are just hazarding a WAG ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/22 "2003-06-29T21:34:14Z")
What, just because you talked about “race dilution”? That’s what eugenics was all about, mate. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/23 "2003-06-29T21:40:59Z")
A “sacrament”? Marriage–by the state–a sacrament? Senator Frist is a hell of a surgeon I hear. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/24 "2003-06-29T21:45:20Z")
I have on occasion posted statements clearly identified as reportage of opinions other than my own – most recently, in direct response to **Freyr** ’s direct question in his OP on why conservative Christians oppose gay marriage. IMHO, some people owe **county** an apology. OTOH, **county** , if I may offer advice, when doing that sort of thing, one needs to be really explicit – I saw your implied “that’s what they thing” but it was quite easy to miss. And may I ask what your own POV might be? ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/25 "2003-06-29T22:32:21Z")
Polycarp Sure, my politics are liberal to radical. I am a union official. I protested the Iraqi war. My church is “open and affirming.” Thanks for “reading” my posts - I suspect I’ll go back to General Questions. ---
**Author:** ![labboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@labboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/labboy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/26 "2003-06-29T22:32:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by county \* > \*\*The state is involved as there are issue such as insurance, retirement benefits, estate taxes and a plethora of other issues surrounding “marriage” > \*\* All of these things could easily be worked out without the governements involvement. I agree with masonite, we need to get the government out of marriage. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/27 "2003-06-29T22:36:51Z")
But keep the govt. in the bedroom??? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/28 "2003-06-29T22:43:57Z")
So, Billy Frist is the guy who replaced Trent Lott so’s the GOP wouldn’t look like a bunch of backwards redneck bigots, right? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/29 "2003-06-29T22:51:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*So why am I not surprised that the oh-so-indignant moralists who were shocked, SHOCKED, at the unbecoming levity in re Strom Thurmond’s death have not bothered to post their disgust at Senator Frist’s desire to have “Christian sacraments” adopted into law? \*\* The OP was posted at 4:04 PM EST. Your reply came at 4:59 PM. It is now 6:58 PM EST. Why don’t you give us a fucking minute before you blow a goddamned gasket? Some of us don’t live in front of a computer screen. Senator Frist’s comments about “criminal activity” were stupid, uninformed, and generally asshatted. While I share the view that these decisions ought not be made by the judiciary, and while I share the view that it might not be appropriate to term homosexual unions as “marriage,” I do believe that the civil benefits of marriage ought to be extended to homosexuals, and that it is wrong of Frist to oppose that. There. Happy? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/30 "2003-06-29T23:27:10Z")
I suggest the good Senator wait a few years to see how Canada’s great new social experiment turns out, rather than insist on preventing potentially positive social changes from happening. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2003, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/31 "2003-06-29T23:31:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*So why am I not surprised that the oh-so-indignant moralists who were shocked, SHOCKED, at the unbecoming levity in re Strom Thurmond’s death have not bothered to post their disgust at Senator Frist’s desire to have “Christian sacraments” adopted into law? \*\* Cause he’s a republican senator run by the religious right. I’m not pleased by his words, but unlike my opinion of you, I don’t expect him to rise above his baser self. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/32 "2003-06-30T00:29:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revtim \* > **I agree with masonite.** > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by labboy_ **I agree with masonite** I have clearly slipped into an alternate universe. I need to go lie down with a cold cloth on my forehead. ---
**Author:** ![MrTuffPaws](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@MrTuffPaws](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrTuffPaws)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/33 "2003-06-30T01:11:28Z")
For anyone that ever thought California was a liberal state, this constitutional amendment is law in California. Pro 22 states, marriage can only be between a man and a woman. When it passed (2000 I think), I was dumbfounded. This from the state to push for medical marijuana. I guess you don’t have to be a liberal to smoke pot. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/34 "2003-06-30T01:28:41Z")
gobear: I’ve said many a time on this board that I think the government needs to get the hell out of the marriage business. Marriage is obviously a religious sacrament (see the gov’t minion’s comment way above) and is therefore not the business of the government. Essentially, masonite, in his posting above, stated my exact position on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![SweetLucy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@SweetLucy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SweetLucy)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/35 "2003-06-30T01:37:40Z")
I think that a lot of homophobia comes from a primitive fear of any sex that doesn’t lead to reproduction. To fundamentalists of most stripes, the only purpose of marriage is pumping out little fundies, so gay marriage is naturally a scary thing to them. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/36 "2003-06-30T02:02:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blalron \* > \*\*If by “criminal activity” you mean two adults in the privacy of their own homes that want to express their love in a physical manner, and “condoned” as meaning not dragging them away to jail and making them criminals because of it, then I guess Frist is dead on. \*\* I think he was probably referring to other crimes: prostitution, drug use, gambling, etc. Which is fine by me. Anything that takes place between consenting adults in the privacy of a home _should_ be condoned. They’re called victimless crimes for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/37 "2003-06-30T02:11:04Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve said many a time on this board that I think the government needs to get the hell out of the marriage business. Marriage is obviously a religious sacrament (see the gov’t minion’s comment way above) and is therefore not the business of the government. Trust me, my marriage wasn’t a religious sacrament. In fact, it may have been unholy. In regards the actual topic of discussion, I don’t see how gays getting married could possibly do more harm to the traditional institution of marriage than heterosexuals already have. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/38 "2003-06-30T02:12:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by county \* > **Nothing I have posted indicates in any way what my personal feelings or politics lean toward. All I have posted are statement’s of fact and reporting of general belief’s of others (not necessarily my own)** Is that so? What about this then? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by county \* > **As far as affecting hetrosexual marriages - allowing homosexual marriage would dilute the value of hetrosexual marriages (in numbers) and many consider the heterosexual family to be one of the foundations of our country.** The first part of the above sentence is stated as fact, but contains a clear indication of what you consider to be more, and what you consider of less, value. One does not “dilute” something by adding to it something that is of equal or greater value. That you consider homosexual marriage would “dilute” heterosexual marriage clearly indicates that you consider that the former is of less value. That is not a statement of fact but of your own beliefs. And your comment is is not qualified by any suggestion that you are merely reporting the beliefs of others. ---
**Author:** ![joshmaker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a587f6/32.png) [@joshmaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joshmaker)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/39 "2003-06-30T02:22:38Z")
Not only is Frist a bigot he is a hypocrite. Quote #1: “I think matters such as sodomy should be addressed by the state legislatures… That’s where those decisions – with the local norms, the local mores – are being able to have their input in reflected” Asked whether he supported an amendment that would ban gay marriage, Frist said Quote #2: “I absolutely do, of course I do.” – Ah, I see Mr. Frist; so the only “local norms” and “local mores” that matter are the ones that are homophobic. I guess States Rights are only important when they happen to fit _your_ personal agenda. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/40 "2003-06-30T02:32:27Z")
> [@](#): > > …That’s where those decisions … are being able to have their input in reflected" This just in: Senator Frist’s high school English teacher has thrown herself in from of a Bookmobile in a sudden fit of despair… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211.md?page=3)