# Senator Frist wants Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2003, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211 "2003-06-29T20:04:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/41 "2003-06-30T02:33:38Z")
“in front of a Bookmobile…” Gawd. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/42 "2003-06-30T02:37:19Z")
My marriage is not a “Religious Sacrament”. And you can’t get the State out of it when it involves insurance, taxes and inheritance. If there’s money in it anywhere, the Government wants it’s share and it’s say. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/43 "2003-06-30T02:38:49Z")
What the hell are these idiots thinking-that the minute we allow our homosexual brothers and sisters the same rights us straight folks have, that the country will degenerate into one big orgy? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/44 "2003-06-30T02:57:34Z")
Of course, **Guinastasia**. After all, homosexuality is _so_ much more attractive and fun than plain old heterosexuality that the only thing keeping all the straight people in America from jumping into bed with the first same-sex person they see in the morning is religious prohibition. Of course, after hearing some of the fundamentalists’ moral “reasoning”, you’d think that religious prohibition is the only reason they aren’t all out murdering, raping, and child molesting as well. ---
**Author:** ![joshmaker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a587f6/32.png) [@joshmaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joshmaker)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/45 "2003-06-30T03:12:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > Senator Frist’s high school English teacher has thrown herself in from of a Bookmobile in a sudden fit of despair… 😃 LOL 😃 Hey, your know you wish your input was “in reflected.” ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/46 "2003-06-30T03:14:37Z")
Marriage is a sacrament in this country. Which is why, of course, we whore it out weekly on TV to sell fucking Snicker Bars with _Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire_ and _Married by America_ and Billy Jo Bob Jim Dave asking his first cousin to marry him on Jerry Springer and _The Bachelor_ and _I Married Carrot-Top_ or whatever retarded “reality” show they’re going to think up next. As you may or may not have figured … “Marriage is sacred …” I detest that argument. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/47 "2003-06-30T03:22:11Z")
Hey, I’m conservative as hell. I believe in low taxes, and small government that handles government business and stays the hell out of my face. Therefore, using this logic, the government should also stay out of the gay people’s faces. And their bedrooms. However, the current “conservative” contingent is working like hell to gather power and stay in office. Consequently, one must pander to powerful interests. And the religious right is a powerful interest, if only because a great many people seem to listen to crazy right-wing preachers, for some reason. It’s not a moral thing. It’s a political thing. When some politician is agreeable to installing a video camera in his OWN bedroom, just to verify that there ain’t no sodomy going on there, I may begin to believe otherwise. Frist is grandstanding, that’s all. Let us remember this, come the next election. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/48 "2003-06-30T06:47:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MrTuffPaws \* > \*\*For anyone that ever thought California was a liberal state, this constitutional amendment is law in California. > > Pro 22 states, marriage can only be between a man and a woman. > > When it passed (2000 I think), I was dumbfounded. This from the state to push for medical marijuana. I guess you don’t have to be a liberal to smoke pot. \*\* California used to be a liberal state, but lately it’s an apathetic state. > **[The Desert Sun | Palm Springs and Coachella Valley news](https://www.desertsun.com)** > > The latest Palm Springs area news from The Desert Sun newspaper in the California desert. Coachella Valley photos, obituaries and events calendar. > [@](#): > > [Secretary of State Bill Jones] said only 50.57 percent of the state’s 15.3 million registered voters cast ballots [last November], the lowest percentage on record for a regularly scheduled November election in California… > > When all 21.5 million potential voters – those eligible to vote if registered – are taken into account [last] year’s turnout was only 36.05 percent, also a record low. One year there was a proposition on the ballot that proposed adding some kind of factoid about a politician’s voting record directly to the ballot, right next to the little hole where you punched Yes or No. The very people that wrote the proposition said in the voter information guide not to vote for this proposition, as it was badly written and would probably be struck down in the courts. They tried to pull it off the ballot but they missed the deadline. And yet, the goddamned thing passed because no one read the fucking guide. And it was struck down. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/49 "2003-06-30T07:04:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blalron \* > \*\*I’ve been trying to understand this type of argument, and I just don’t get it. How would gays getting married take away from the value of heterosexual marriages? > > \*\* I’m still trying to figure out what real moral ‘value’ hetero marriage has. Under this protecting the sanctity of marriage, I can still get boozed up marry the first floozy dumb or drunk enough to say yes. And I can do it 100 times if I choose. Where’s the sacrement in _that_? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/50 "2003-06-30T07:05:42Z")
In Las Vegas, I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/51 "2003-06-30T07:27:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\*A “sacrament”? Marriage–by the state–a sacrament? Senator Frist is a hell of a surgeon I hear. \*\* Perhaps, he’s made most of his money as an _administrator_, IIRC. He _did_ however stop and render vital aid at an accident in Florida he just happened to be driving by, so I’ll give the guy that. However, Frist is _totally_ wrong in his opposition to gay marriage. Legalizing gay marriage will do _nothing_ as far as heterosexual marriage, other than forcing folks to admit that gays exist and will always exist. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/52 "2003-06-30T07:58:09Z")
The really sad part of it is that he was _elected_. Someone, a whole lot of someones, elected this fellow. That says a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/53 "2003-06-30T08:03:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Muffin \* > \*\*The really sad part of it is that he was _elected_. Someone, a whole lot of someones, elected this fellow. That says a lot. \*\* You’ve never been to Tennessee have you? Rent the movie [Deliverance](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0068473) sometime. I don’t care what anyone says, that movie is _not_ fiction! ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/54 "2003-06-30T08:14:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*So why am I not surprised that the oh-so-indignant moralists who were shocked, SHOCKED, at the unbecoming levity in re Strom Thurmond’s death have not bothered to post their disgust at Senator Frist’s desire to have “Christian sacraments” adopted into law? \*\* What, i’m supposed to have some sort of Doper Radar that tells me when a new gay thread gets started and i must drop everything to post in it? PUH-LEEZE! Get over your damn persecution complex. This has nothing to do with someone being happy over someone’s death. I suppose since i didn’t go to the gay pride parade today that makes me even more evil. But since i’m a bigot because of my views on anti-grave dancing, that should be expected. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/55 "2003-06-30T09:54:50Z")
I would love to hear how a couple of friends of mine who will be celebrating their 10th anniversary on Labor Day weekend are more damaging to marriage than, say, Newt Gingrich who’s currently on his 3rd wife. Does anyone know if Frist’s been divorced? CJ ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/56 "2003-06-30T11:07:12Z")
Tuckerfan: > [@](#): > > You’ve never been to Tennessee have you? Rent the movie Deliverance sometime. I don’t care what anyone says, that movie is not fiction! I don’t remember about the book, but the movie was set in Georgia. Let’s blame it on them.[hijack] > [@](#): > > Perhaps, he’s made most of his money as an administrator, IIRC. He did however stop and render vital aid at an accident in Florida he just happened to be driving by, so I’ll give the guy that. Until the Middle East became too dangerous, he was also making trips to the Sudan to perform surgery on children. He was forced by security agents to stop. The man is not stupid nor is he controlled by the Christian right. He is, however, **wrong** to be spouting about a Constitutional Ammendment against gay marriage. I agree that he is grandstanding and posturing. It turns my stomach. I have an idea. Gays need to organize and plan a march on Washington AGAINST gay marriage. They should protest loudly! Carry signs that say, “You Can’t Make Us Marry!” and “Bed without Wed.” It will confuse the Christian Right and government decision makers who will immediately draft laws to force marriage on gay couples. (heh, heh) ---
**Author:** ![pencilpusher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d6d6ee/32.png) [@pencilpusher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pencilpusher)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/57 "2003-06-30T12:18:38Z")
I think that holier than thou asshole needs to get out of peoples bedrooms and stop trying to cram his religious based morality up everyones asses. I know 10 gay couples that have been together for more than 5 years but I only know on ONE straight couple thats been together for that long. Marriage a sacrament? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!! The ONLY reason people started getting married was to PROVE that the offspring they were having was LEGALLY theirs. The fucking MYANS didn’t get married. I say FUCK the government and NOONE GET MARRIED. Why PAY to sleep together when you can do it for FREE? Hell I spent more on my last DIVORCE than I did on my last CAR. You know the reason the divorce rate is so high in America? BECAUSE STRAIGHT PEOPLE KEEP GETTING REMARRIED dumb ass ---
**Author:** ![RTA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@RTA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTA)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/58 "2003-06-30T12:37:26Z")
Frist? O yeah, we love that guy. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=154372](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=154372) ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/59 "2003-06-30T12:50:03Z")
Why doesn’t he just outlaw Heterosexual Unions as well, and put marriage counselors, Vegas Chapels and the Bridal Industry Mafia out of business? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211/60 "2003-06-30T12:50:41Z")
> [@](#): > > But since i’m a bigot because of my views on anti-grave dancing, that should be expected. You’re a bigot because you side with the homophobe and not his victims. Since you are not Queen of the Message Board, you don’t get to dictate what may or may not be posted, so if I choose to express relief that a hated oppressor is no longer around to make life difficult, that’s too goddamn bad for you. Moreoever, other people posted far more gleefully than I did, but I’m the one you chose to scold? And Senator Frist can do with his Bible what I do with my partner. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-frist-wants-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage/185211.md?page=4)