I take it this is the kind of nonsense that Bricker cannot stand. Out-of-context quotes, no substance, a tinge of desperation and a whininess borne out of jealousy. It is actually quite humorous, because the ad basically says Obama can get people behind him…but can he lead? Wha…?
Hillary Clinton did not subscribe to that thinking.
Correct. If both were being politicians-as-usual, then I’d have no conflict in a vote for McCain. I wouldn’t be happy with his negativity, but since Obama was ALSO being negative, it would be a wash.
Whoa, steady there, hoss. I posed the question, I didn’t offer the concluson. I offered the link to someone who has clearly made up his mind, and makes a case. I haven’t made up my mind, as I made abundantly clear in my post.
Offering you the courtesy of assuming that you read it before you judged it as “tin hattery”, perhaps you can offer specific rebuttals? And if you cannot, aren’t you pretty much compelled to accept that interpretation as valid, if not definitive?
Is that how it works? Fine. There is a God. Refute. If you can’t don’t you pretty much have to accept that as valid?
I don’t agree with that guy’s interpretation, I think it’s off the wall. I don’t drink the Flavor-Aid, either, so perhaps you can forgive me for being skeptical of the innuendos bandied about in that article. I don’t condemn either candidate. That’s for you guys to hash out.
Bricker,
Also consider this:
It’s not just in campaigning that Obama will prove to be different, but also in his Presidency.
Something that most people seem to have been missing here is that Obama treats voters like ADULTS. He ignores childish memes and has the skills to make sure he looks good doing it. That’s really the best way to frame it. Obama treats you like a rational human being. How will this be different?
Bush currently is the most full of shit president that I can remember. Probably even worse than Clinton. Every time Bush gets up to talk about anything it’s a goddamned lie. It’s always pushing his view of the world in hopes that it will become as he says. Every disaster, be it sub-prime, Katrina, etc, etc, he always comes around and talks about how everything is just peachy when the opposite is true.
At least with Obama we’ll (hopefully) have a President that isn’t afraid to talk to us like adults. America needs it now. We have lots of problems that we need to work on and ignoring them won’t help. That’s where his inspirational abilities are useful. He can tell us the truth without getting us too depressed because we believe that we can work on things to make them better.
Not only that but Obama is also committed to reducing government waste and increasing transparency. I think that would be a HUGE blow to pork and bullshit spending right there.
Look at him from a race-relations standpoint. Obama completely takes the wind out of Jessie Jackson et. al.'s sails. That’s why they hate him. Also imagine what kind of awesome role model he’d be for black kids everywhere. A black man CAN be president. Some competition with other more nefarious black role models like rappers and childish athletes.
Anyway, there are just a few reasons to vote for Obama that have nothing to do with party politics.
The way I see it, for the most part, is that a president doesn’t need to do a lot — nothing more than inspire Americans to reach for the stars and give them a context in which they can. What won me over to Obama originally was the message posted on the economics portion of his website. He declared his faith in the American free market, and in the entrepreneurship of our citizens. Practically everything he has said since then has reinforced my opinion of him.
I was surprised (and delighted) to read Bricker’s OP. There has never been a more stark contrast between two candidates in my voting lifetime. I’ve never even cared about election outcomes until now. My history here is replete with grumblings about Tweedledum versus Tweedledee. Not this time. This time, it is between a man of great intelligence and eloquence with a Reaganesque vision of America’s enormous potential and a Kennedyesque charm that inspires people to care — versus a surly old curmudgeon who brags that he knows how to win wars, despite never having won any, and who surrounds himself with Swiftboaters and Rovians who sling shit like drunk monkeys.
My hope is that young people will break tradition this year, and go to the polls, wait in the long lines, and cast their votes. I also hope that McCain’s personal attacks on Obama backfire. Obama has attacked McCain’s policies, but McCain has attacked Obama’s character. Even after promising he never would stoop to such tactics. It looks ugly on McCain, but he apparently thinks he has the capital to afford it. We’ll see. There are lots of intelligent conservatives like Bricker who won’t stand for it.
- picks jaw up off floor, reinserts it *
Just when you think his campaign can’t get any dumber…
While the Obamessiah meme is kind of tired, I wouldn’t be particularly troubled by Mccain using that, in itself, in an ad. Where he loses me is the knowing falsification of things Obama has said. The “symbol” quote is not only out of context, it’s the reverse of what he was actually saying. The “light shining down” quote was a refernce to Hillary’s mocking of Obama during the primaries. McCain knows this ad is dishonest. He said he wasn’t going to do that kind of shit.
Yeah…and yet…
Obama comes off a very successful trip through Europe and the Middle East that any politician would be pleased with.
McCain puts out Paris Hilton ads and “He is the One” ads which, everywhere I have looked, have been universally panned.
Latest polls have McCain closing the gap with Obama to within 3 points (CNN Poll of Polls).
Go figure :rolleyes:
[sub]And people wonder why I am cynical about the average American voter[/sub]
Right there - underlined - he has legions of young college students at colleges and universities across the country. My former employer and alma mater has one of CT’s largest contingent of Obama supporters under 21. They worked with the Yaley’s during the primary to really get the vote out, and you know what? Connecticut did vote Obama over Clinton…Rhode Island and MA. did not.
They will come…all of his enormous infrastructure that he has created with the help of grassroots volunteers is still intact and gearing up for the sprint to the finish and to the white house.
If you build it they will come… 
Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction to when I saw that one. My real question here is–who is that ad meant for? Who would watch that ad and think it’s a good idea? If there really are people out there who would watch that and take it seriously I am thoroughly frightened to imagine that they will also be allowed to DRIVE to the polls! I thought the Britney/Paris one was about as dumb as it could possibly get but nope…
FWIW, Bricker, you don’t seem to be alone in your concerns.
For that matter, does this ad have any point other than negativity and divisiveness?
I’ll tell you what, if I were a Republican (and for the record, I’ve been registered as an independent for over thirty years–I just changed that this spring so I could vote in the primary) I would be absolutely incensed at being treated by my putative representative as though I were so ridiculously stupid that ads like that would work on me. I’d be irritated that my candidate thinks I can’t do any research to see what his positions are and how he changes his point of view. And how often he changes it, for that matter. I’d be getting very, very tired right about now at how much McCain has to say against Obama and how pitifully little he has to say for himself. I’d be pissed that he considers me to be so low-information a voter that I’d be pacified with bland, mindless platitudes and vague “don’t you worry, John’s got a PLAN!” statements instead of substantive answers to issues and definitive plans to fix what ails this country.
And I can definitely say that if I were a Republican and I saw the kind of campaign Obama is running, the kind of answers he’s giving, the sheer volume of the thought and planning that goes into his positions and statements and the respect he pays not only his supporters but his adversaries as well I think I’d be hard pressed not to jump ship and vote for Obama myself.
The thing is, I trust Obama to LISTEN to the concerns of ALL Americans, to give their concerns due weight and respect and then to proceed on the path that will bring the greatest good to the greatest number, and to do it in a LAWFUL, Constitutionally consistent manner, which is something that’s been totally missing the last eight years. He’s pissed me off a few times with some of his actions (coughFISAcough) but at no time have I felt disrespected, discounted or dismissed. If Obama were a Republican, I’d vote for him anyway!
And you can wait for him to get nasty, but if I were you I’d not hold my breath waiting. Obama is a calm, measured, thoughtful man who simply will not be baited into acting stupidly. He’s got political aikido nailed. McCain, on the other hand, is a spoiled little privileged boy with a nasty temper who simply can’t bear being gainsaid or outmatched. Watch him flip out more and more as the election gets nearer. We have a pool running as to when he’s going to lose it and call Obama an “n-word.” :eek: That’s NOT the kind of person we need running the country right now, and that would be true regardless of whether his views and mine heterodyne.
Dear Og… I seriously thought that was a parody ad when I first saw it.
McCain’s message is that Obama mentioned all of these other “countries of the world”, but didn’t expressly mention Latin America? That’s IT? He’s not flaming Obama based on what Obama said- he’s flaming him for what he DIDN’T say?
Seriously, what the hell?
Damn it all.
-FrL-
Well strap yourself in a watch the latest one. New McCain Ad Stars Obama And Moses | HuffPost Latest News
Thats’ just what leads me to believe that Obama has a mountain to climb in the forthcoming election and many of his over-confident supporters don’t seem to realize that.
I’m for McCain, but if Obama did win in November I would have no hesitation in honoring and congratulating the man for an astonishing achievement.
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Hee! So far the best comment on that Huffpo article is this:
I think the McCain kitchen sink strategy will have only short term benefits, like a flash from a pile of kindling. He has no real lumber to throw onto the fire. He may actually get a small lead over the next week or so. But over the next ninety days, he will look more and more foolish and desperate, and Obama’s numbers will begin again to climb. Then, there will be the debates. It will be Nixon - Kennedy all over again.
Really? Why is that? ISTM campaigns, and the level of truth voters demand and get from their candidates, matter because of the results, such as the things you mention, not that they are ends in themselves. I must say, it’s very strange to see someone who has so regularly found defenses here for so many lies a President of his own party has told over the last 8 years to declare truthfulness to be a highest principle.
Voting style over substance has not often worked well. Voting style *against *substance is something beyond.