I’m currently writing a children’s book on tolerance for children with the condition. It’s working title is “The Little Boy Who Cried TITS FUCK FUCK BITCH WHORE FAGGOT Wolf”.
What racist acts or statements has he made? Your cite doesn’t mention any.
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Shodan
I was able to not make a spectacle of myself by laughing out loud, but at the cost of a tear sliding down my cheek.
Wanting the KKK flag* to fly on the capitol of the state with the highest slave ratio in U.S. history isn’t racist? (See earlier post- it’s more the KKK flag than it is the Confederate flag.)
Referring to Strom Thurmond’s illegitimate biracial daughter decision to identify herself as a blemish on his wonderful legacy? (Do you think for a moment he’d have made that comment about a white illegitimate daughter? And you do know that Thurmond was an arch segregationist, yes? Rather the whole point of his presidential bid.)
You don’t think the above are racist? Really? Really? Really.
*Which I propose it be called to distinguish it from the actual national flags of the CSA which you rarely ever see. (In fact I can’t even remember the last time I saw one outside of a museum or Civil War related historic site.)
My bad, I didn’t mean to say that you personally were pretending. Poor wording on my part, sorry.
I’m a bit confused, though. You want to talk about people who are crazy as hell, but you’re not talking about the lunatic fringe? So I guess you think that a fairly large number of Republicans/conservatives/right-wingers/whatever-ya-wanna-call-ems are crazy as hell, just not racist? Because otherwise I’m not sure why you’re so fixated on this.
Yes, I know some people are truly upset about the proposed reform. And I, and others here, have said that those are legitimate concerns (hell, I have concerns about the various bills up, and I’m FOR the idea) and that there is no reason to believe that those people are racist, unless and until they do something to show otherwise.
I would consider that sort of person to be mainstream conservative, and would expect them to hold those views (even passionately) regarding the proposed legislation, and wouldn’t expect them to be racist.
How many times do we have to say that before we stop being accused of “playing the race card” any time we point out racism in any situation short of the racist being videotaped screaming “I am a racist and a bigot”?
Yes, you can object to healthcare reform, or the bailout, or most of the other policies passionately and even vociferously, without being racist.
You do that by attacking those policies rather than the man, and by attacking it rationally, not by lying and screaming and frothing. That would exclude Beck and Limbaugh and O’Reilly and Hannity and the rest of the current mouthpieces for the Repubs, as well as the teabaggers and 912ers and birthers and etc.
There are other reasons besides the particular act under discussion to believe that Joe Wilson is racist. There is reason to believe that racism was part of the cause of his outburst.
Joe Wilson wasn’t objecting vociferously to the proposed healthcare reform. He didn’t scream out something about healthcare.
He made a personal attack on the President during a Presidential speech to a joint session of Congress. If he’d been in Great Debates, he woulda been warned, if not banned, even under the old rules. Have the Repubs done anything to repudiate his action?
Mainstream conservatives who oppose Democratic politics are NOT the people Carter was talking about, and that’s not the people that we (in this thread) are saying are racist. We’ve said that over and over.
There is reason to believe that the incredibly intense hatred of anything whatsoever to do with Obama is related to his race.
That doesn’t mean that every disagreement with Obama is race-related, which is what we keep saying.
Yes, I suppose there may be a few nutterballs out there who are crazy nuts and like to hang out with the loons and continually lie about Obama and the Democrats and scream “Nazi” and “Muslim” and “Kenyan” who aren’t racist. I just don’t find it very likely. Do you? Really??
Fortunately I was at home and therefore able to make a spectacle of myself by laughing out loud without it causing a problem.
Sampiro strikes again. 
IOW, racism is good when it advances our political agenda.
I’m not seeing any policing of racist fellow travelers by the conservatives. The governing principle seems to be ‘any warm body will up the crowd count.’
It doesn’t take a nuclear engineer to see how racism is being used as a tool by the right.
“It may be racist, but only because we care so much about this country.”
Bull and shit.
Kind of reminds me of those cartoons of Dubya as an ape. Oh how we chuckled.
The witch doctor thing is quite interesting. Sure, it’s pigment specific. But it is a witch doctor - with specific voodoo connatations. Hmm, I’m having trouble getting totally outraged.
I live in Tennessee.
In the South.
The Tennessee Republican Party has sprayed some of the most vile, bilious, overtly racisdt crap ever seen at our nation’s President.
Strom Thurmond wasn’t a racist, he was just hearkening back to the halcyon days of Southern gentlemen.
i was asking to see if he was referring to his second term as president because he could have been referring to his second term as governor.
This Southern gentleman in particular. And surprise, surprise, he’s from South Carolina too.
I don’t think that racism alone can explain the phenomenon we are seeing. (That being batshit crazy beliefs and statements, accompanied by unprecedented levels of mouth-foaming hysteria by some otherwise relatively normal Americans.)
For some, actual white against black bigotry is probably involved. Joe Wilson, I’m lookin’ at you, and I believe the evidence is persuasive. Other racists, less identifiable or at least more aware of a need to obfuscate certain beliefs in polite society, hide within the madding crowds. Rush, Beck et al are not openly baiting race, although they are certainly using some of the code words. But that just isn’t enough, I suspect.
Consider though that racists are a subset of the larger set of xenophobes. Now I think we are on the right track. Racist? Included. Homophobe? Included. Religious bigot? All different kinds and sizes of these are included. Militia-joining gun-carrying-to-Presidential-appearances Commie-hating love-it-or-leave-it “patriot”? Included. Crotchety get-off-my-lawn suspicious-of-young-whipper-snappers oldster? Included too! Can’t stand the thought of some fat welfare queen sucking at the tax teat that you are forced to provide? Xenophobia has room for you too, my friend. See where I’m going? There are lots, lots more. (Hey, maybe we should start a MPSIMS thread to name as many different kinds and flavors of xenophobia as we can. Winner gets a pie.) (No, on second thought, if we come up with any the Pubbies are not already exploiting, they’ll gain ammunition. Cancel the pie.)
Palin worked this to advantage with her “real America” shit. After all, I’m sure that I’m a “real American”. And I know that I have certainly never done anything to harm my country. But other people, somewhere, somehow, must have done so, because there are problems all around, and I’m surely not getting everything I’m rightfully due. Somebody, somewhere, is taking advantage of me, so they must be different, not a “real American” like I am.
Lots of people are afraid of something. Even out and out liberals like myself, while we consciously herald and embrace positive change, are still just a bit hesitant about it in our darker moments in the depths of our subconscious. Our President is different enough on so many levels-- he’s black, from a broken home, from outside the power establishment, young, an honest to Pete bootstraps success story, “liberal” (yes, I know, but compared to some of the recent alternatives anyway) and on and on-- why, he is really different from most everyone!
What the right has done so well is to enervate people across the board with a fear of his differences, in a very democratic way. Meaning if they can’t get you to be afraid of him for one thing, maybe you will be afraid of another. Or maybe, since the smears and fear mongering are so nonstop and so indiscriminate, you are persuaded by the sheer volume, and by the “enough smoke must mean fire” paradigm, you just absorb it all in general. Hysteria feeds on hysteria, and the right’s official and unofficial leaders pump it up like a second grader pumps a swing. We see the result in every news broadcast, and meet it face to face IRL every day. Xenophobia rages throughout the land.
Also, none of that was screamed out by a member of Congress interrupting a speech before a joint session.
Of course not, not all Liberals are black. It’s just convenient that a prominent one is.
What makes you think that just because Carter thinks Wilson is a racist he is senile? Anyone who disagrees with you is senile or stupid? If you don’t like Carter’s pronouncements, then turn them off. Having listened to Carter and read the ravings of ralph124c, Carter is a good deal more intelligent. And yes, Wilson and the pubbies are racists.
I suspect that we are in general agreement. But did you read the rest of my post? Surely there are some for whom racism is still a fond dream. But I don’t think Obama would have been elected if real, old fashioned, “git a rope and we’ll larn that boy sumpthin” racism were a majority view. The hysteria is not restricted to the 20% who still think Bush did a fantastic job (and other lunatic fancies).
I really liked this post.
I’d just like to give a shoutout to the Big 4 hatemongers (Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, Beck), the dozens of lesser lights and wannabes who emulate them, and the networks (primarily FOX News for TV and Clear Channel for radio) who facilitate them. These mooks discovered some years ago that there is considerable money to be made in pandering to the fears of Xenophobe Nation, and boy, do they ever milk it for all it’s worth. Three fucking hours of pure negativity and vitriol, lies and misrepresentation, every fucking weekday on Rush’s radio program alone. Perhaps whoever it was that tried to claim that Obama’s speeches were phrased to put people into a receptive trance state should try their theory out on Rush’s listeners instead.
I consider most of these odious excuses for human beings, and those who provide the forum for their rantings, to be precisely the moral equivalent of those in Rwanda who used the media to incite Hutu against Tutsi. The only signifcant difference is that they apparently realize they cannot yet quite get away with calling for the deaths of people who oppose them. I am saddened to say, however, that I would not be at all surprised if soon, people began getting killed over the lies they have been propagating.
Despite the above, I have no inclination or desire to see them banned from the airwaves. I wouldn’t mind seeing their feet held to fire a little more on some of their more outrageous claims, but I’m a strong believer that people have to figure things out for themselves. I can only hope they do.
Err… but that’s, you know, true.