# Senor Beef and his crusade against knowledge **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743 "2013-05-07T21:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/321 "2014-04-13T23:59:43Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Then that probably counts as pastry dough. There’s like a million types of it. But bread specifically isn’t. > > Hey, I’m not the one who came up with food cladistics. That would be the French. > > (fuck, that’s me, too) It’s not a dough at all. You just press graham cracker crumbs with butter. It’s never in a liquid state. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/322 "2014-04-14T00:06:28Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > But only if you live in the provinces. Because if you don’t live in the provinces, you can’t be provincial. So as a mere colonial, Martini cannot be provincial. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/323 "2014-04-14T01:29:17Z")
After I get some money out of the ATM machine (assuming I remember my PIN number), I’m going to pick up some pizza pie. And I hope the plumber fixed my hot water heater so I can wash the dishes. ---
**Author:** ![TheChileanBlob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thechileanblob/32/435_2.png) [@TheChileanBlob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheChileanBlob)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/324 "2014-04-14T08:39:18Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Claiming that a pizza could not be a pie is reminiscent of the guy I encountered who claimed that a spoon could not be a utensil because (in his mind) utensils could only refer to farming utensils. Farming _utensils?_ Now I’m imagining someone plowing with a fork, scything with a butter knife, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/325 "2014-04-14T09:41:15Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Why is a pizza “clearly” not a pie? It’s a regionalism that I don’t use myself, but I can’t see why it’s clearly wrong. It may not have every attribute that one thinks of when one thinks of a pie, but it certainly has most of them. The only similarities I can see between pizza and a pie is they’re both traditionally round and food. I’m pretty sure nearly everywhere else in the English-speaking world, “pie” refers, in most contexts, to a baked pastry good containing a filling (in the Commonwealth it’s usually meat, but fruit or other sweet fillings can also be acceptable in some circumstances). Certainly, the only people I’ve heard referring to pizza as “pie” hail from the US, and from what I can tell it seems to be a New Jersey/New York/Possibly Chicago term rather than a generic American English name for the dish. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/326 "2014-04-14T09:49:39Z")
Well, the [pizza article on wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza) begins: > [@](#): > > The word pizza originates from the Latin verb pìnsere (“to press”) and from the Greek pitta (derived from ancient Greek pēktos, πηκτός, meaning “solid” or “clotted”). The ancient Greeks covered their bread with oils, herbs and cheese. In Byzantine Greek, **the word was spelled πίτα, pita, or πίττα, pitta, meaning pie**. The word has also spread to Romanian as pită, Turkish as pide,[2] and Bulgarian, Bosnian, Croatian, Macedonian and Serbian as pita, Albanian as pite and Modern Hebrew pittāh.[3] The Romans developed placenta, a sheet of dough topped with cheese and honey and flavored with bay leaves. EDIT: And a light googling seems to indicate that it’s called “pizza pie” in Italy. Or whatever that phrase is in Italian. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/327 "2014-04-14T10:29:29Z")
In this Game of Thrones thread : spoilers about proper food nomenclature. The burning question on everyone’s mind : is lamprey pie really a form of deep dish pizza ? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/328 "2014-04-14T11:18:43Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > EDIT: And a light googling seems to indicate that it’s called “pizza pie” in Italy. Or whatever that phrase is in Italian. This is unlikely, since Italian doesn’t have a word for “pie”. They use “torta” (cake) to describe an encasing of sweet filling in some kind of pastry, or if it’s a savoury pastry they use “torta salata” (“salty cake”). Pizza in Italy is - unsurprisingly since it’s an Italian word - known merely as “pizza” - a word that encompasses various kinds of flat bread too, including stuff that’s indistinguishable from focaccia, e.g. [pizza bianca](https://www.google.it/search?q=pizza+bianca&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=gsNLU4uZI-aBywPlmIGICQ&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=667). There may be regional variations, but I don’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/329 "2014-04-14T14:43:03Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Claiming that a pizza could not be a pie is reminiscent of the guy I encountered who claimed that a spoon could not be a utensil because (in his mind) utensils could only refer to farming utensils. I have a hard time marrying this truly persecuted definition with my prior understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/330 "2014-04-14T16:46:20Z")
Maybe you should move to a state where same sex marriage is legal. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/331 "2014-04-14T18:46:45Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Maybe you should move to a state where same sex marriage is legal. It’s Pepperoni and Sausage, not…wait, crap. I had something for this. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/332 "2014-04-14T21:09:20Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > It’s Pepperoni and Sausage, not…wait, crap. I had something for this. Pineapple is a fruit, and fruit should not be near my pepperoni! (…nah, I got nothing.) ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/333 "2014-04-15T08:52:24Z")
The real issue is lack of appreciation for the differences between a _pie_ and a _tart_. Clearly is should be a pizza tart instead of a pizza pie. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743.md?page=16)