# Senor Beef and his crusade against knowledge **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743 "2013-05-07T21:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/121 "2013-05-08T13:49:59Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Just make a GoT Show+Books thread and let everyone who’s part of both groups participate as they see fit. If that leaves SenorBeef posting by himself in the straight up tv thread, thems the breaks. In fact, there’s already a Show+book thread. And Senor Beef is hardly the only one posting in the “show only” thread or asking not to mention the books’ content in the no-spoiler thread. Actually, **DrDeth** is the only one who has an issue with this two threads system. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Again, no problem with “no spoilers’. I have a problem with “I can’t read the books they are too big and too full of long words and it makes my brain hurts and my lips numb from sounding them all out -thus you can’t even mention that they exist” I’ve read the books, and they’re in fact too big, too full of useless words (full chapters of them, even) and they did sometimes make my brain hurts. I didn’t notice they sharpened my brainpower. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/122 "2013-05-08T13:57:26Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > How stupid do you have to be to pit an illiterate person in writing? Word gets around on the mean streets of Analphabet City. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/123 "2013-05-08T14:10:43Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Word gets around on the mean streets of Analphabet City. Their official band is [Cap’n Jazz](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analphabetapolothology). ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/124 "2013-05-08T14:13:59Z")
I have read all the books and I am perfectly happy with the no book thread and the open spoiler thread. Granted, the ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION OF THE BOOKS WHATSOVEVER is a little over the top. However, it’s best to just have a blanket rule so as to avoid numerous petty arguments as to what constitutes a spoiler or doesn’t. And I am not a SenorBeef apologist; I don’t know him from a hole in the ground. Also I have no idea how this issue has anything to do with ignorance or illiteracy. Claiming that people who don’t want to read GoT are illiterate or willfully ignorant is ridiculous. I love the series, but I can’t say that reading it has contributed to my store of knowledge or caused me to ponder profound philosophical questions. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/125 "2013-05-08T14:22:35Z")
Well this thread is enlightening. I’ve been participating off and on in the no-book threads for the last couple seasons, and have really enjoyed the tight moderation and shunning of any book-related discussion. It keeps most hijacks out of the thread, and avoids the incidents o idiots who somehow manage to fuck up spoiler box code when they find the _need_ to point out how some triviality occurred differently in the books. But something that I didn’t know is what an insufferable prick DrDeth is. I had no idea. Thanks for the head’s up! ---
**Author:** ![R3d\_Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aeb1de/32.png) [@R3d\_Anonymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R3d_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/126 "2013-05-08T15:06:46Z")
What **HazelNutCoffee** said. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/127 "2013-05-08T15:08:37Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Again with this shit ? Will you be making that same whiny thread every season, or… ? You just spoiled the future. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/128 "2013-05-08T15:14:50Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > This is the Pit, right? (climbing onto soapbox) > > So, what the fuck is this _Game of Thrones_ thing? Aren’t the books some phony Medieval shit plus swords and sorcery, written by a second-rate SF author whom I never liked even before he gave his career a nudge by cashing in on the fake Hobbit crap that’s been inexplicably popular since the '70s? Isn’t the show more of the same with visible boobs and Peter Dinklage, both of which I’ll watch in most anything other than this? And how the fuck do you spoil fantasy when it’s all the same? Christ, I’ve known dungeon masters with more imagination and flair with words than George RR Martin. > > Read some history if you want sleazy intrigue, and watch some porn if you want boobs. You might be related to the participants of either, which makes it more fun than fiction. A million times this. If you consider these great literature that if you haven’t read them then you are illiterate then you are biggest retard on the planet. I’ve read all but the last two because I finally realized how many IQ points I had last from reading them. > [@yoyodyne](#): > > And if you were to say that in the thread in question, you would be massively threadshitting. If you don’t like it don’t go in it and STFU. If you don’t like a posters post then don’t read it and STFU, retard. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/129 "2013-05-08T15:21:56Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > What’s the point of talking about the books in a thread where everyone (or almost everyone) has agreed not to talk about the books? > > If it’s to say that something happened differently, or that characters were combined or that someone has a larger role in the show than in the books – well, that might be harmless, but it’s also useless, and trivial. Actually, I never saw where anyone agreed. Senor Beef was 'the decider". There was no poll. But I am Ok with a “no spoilers’ rule”. ---
**Author:** ![R3d\_Anonymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aeb1de/32.png) [@R3d\_Anonymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R3d_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/130 "2013-05-08T15:22:02Z")
“…last from reading,” **Drunky Smurf**? Other than that I totally agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/131 "2013-05-08T15:23:42Z")
“…first from watching tv?” ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/132 "2013-05-08T15:58:43Z")
I couldn’t help but notice that **Senor Beef** hasn’t posted to this thread yet. Does anyone else picture him hunched over his computer, with his fingers tracing on the monitor screen and his lips moving? We then hear his voice slowly saying: _“Do. Way … no, we. Do we riley? rally? realee? REALLY! Do we really!!! … hay? hayvee? have! Do we really have!!! to. hayvee? Have again! Do we really have to have. a speckle? speckeyeal? specieall? Dammit this is hard!!!”_ ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/133 "2013-05-08T16:01:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The claim in the OP was that 80% of the SDMB had read the books, not 80% of the posters in the _GoT_ threads. > > And… an internet poll? Can you say “self-selected”? _Puh-leeeeeze!!_ > > And… there is no telling who is going to join the threads in the future. Rules should be generic to suit the whole board, not some subset who just so happen to be posting at any given time. It’s more like 80% of the posters who voted in the poll. I saw the poll (or some poll, it appears there might be more than one?), didn’t vote. Haven’t read the books, haven’t watched the show. I bet a shit load more than 20% of the entire membership of this board hasn’t read the book, no way 80% of the entire membership has read it. My take on this whole affair is that folks, for some reason, like to discuss the TV show. Other folks, for some reason, like to point out (repeatedly) that the TV show isn’t exactly like the book. After a while, some of the TV show group get a belly full and declare they are so tired of being (repeatedly) reminded that the TV show isn’t exactly like the book that a new rule is proposed: Let’s pretend the book doesn’t even exist. That way, it can’t ever be brought up in a thread about a TV show. It has nothing to do with illiteracy. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/134 "2013-05-08T16:24:16Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I couldn’t help but notice that **Senor Beef** hasn’t posted to this thread yet. > > Does anyone else picture him hunched over his computer, with his fingers tracing on the monitor screen and his lips moving? We then hear his voice slowly saying: > > _“Do. Way … no, we. Do we riley? rally? realee? REALLY! Do we really!!! … hay? hayvee? have! Do we really have!!! to. hayvee? Have again! Do we really have to have. a speckle? speckeyeal? specieall? Dammit this is hard!!!”_ Another thought: **Senor Beef** is a huge fan of the Cleveland Browns. Those three women who were found after 10 years of being kidnapped were found in Cleveland. **Senor Beef** hasn’t posted in this thread. The accused are apparently of Hispanic descent ( **Senor** Beef? Not Mister Beef?) Coincidence? I think not. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/135 "2013-05-08T16:24:53Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Actually, I never saw where anyone agreed. Senor Beef was 'the decider". There was no poll. > > But I am Ok with a “no spoilers’ rule”. Then would you answer her question in post 115? ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/136 "2013-05-08T16:38:39Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > It’s more like 80% of the posters who voted in the poll. I saw the poll (or some poll, it appears there might be more than one?), didn’t vote. Haven’t read the books, haven’t watched the show. I bet a shit load more than 20% of the entire membership of this board hasn’t read the book, no way 80% of the entire membership has read it. Exactly. In a poll aimed specifically at GoT fans on a board where a lot of members are fans of crappy fantasy/sci-fi lit, I’d imagine the number would be high, but there’s no reason to think it’s a reflection on the whole board, or even the subset of the board that watches the show. I watch the show mainly because there’s nothing else on, but I’d rather puke than read the books when there’s so much quality fiction out there to read (infinitely more choices than what’s available to watch on TV on Sunday nights). ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/137 "2013-05-08T16:39:24Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > So you keep saying. But I’m not buying it. I read the thread and didn’t see the the crusade against ignorance you accuse him of. Question, if you don’t have a problem with spoilers why do you have such a hard on for mentioning the books? > > . Your post is all confused. I didn’t accuse him of a “crusade against ignorance “ just the opposite, I accused him of a “crusade against _knowledge_ “. I do have a “problem” with spoilers (unless clearly stated) but _I have no problem with rules against spoilers._ I don’t have a “hard on” for mentioning the books. The self-appointed Jr Mods there have a hard-on about mentioning the books. In other words, you have everything wardsback. The show is taken from a book, and 80% or so of the posters who watch the show have read the book(s). Why does the 20% who are seemingly incapable of reading the books get to demand that the books are not even mentioned? Yes, I agree- “no spoilers’- that’s common courtesy. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/138 "2013-05-08T16:40:25Z")
> [@White SIFL](#): > > Then would you answer her question in post 115? Because her question is gibberish and I had to translate it from the gibberish. She got everything backwards. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/139 "2013-05-08T16:44:27Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I couldn’t help but notice that **Senor Beef** hasn’t posted to this thread yet. > > Does anyone else picture him hunched over his computer, with his fingers tracing on the monitor screen and his lips moving? We then hear his voice slowly saying: > > _“Do. Way … no, we. Do we riley? rally? realee? REALLY! Do we really!!! … hay? hayvee? have! Do we really have!!! to. hayvee? Have again! Do we really have to have. a speckle? speckeyeal? specieall? Dammit this is hard!!!”_ Snort. :D:cool: ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743/140 "2013-05-08T16:49:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Your post is all confused. I didn’t accuse him of a “crusade against ignorance “ just the opposite, I accused him of a “crusade against _knowledge_ “. I do have a “problem” with spoilers (unless clearly stated) but _I have no problem with rules against spoilers._ > > I don’t have a “hard on” for mentioning the books. The self-appointed Jr Mods there have a hard-on about mentioning the books. > > In other words, you have everything wardsback. > The show is taken from a book, and 80% or so of the posters who watch the show have read the book(s). Why does the 20% who are seemingly incapable of reading the books get to demand that the books are not even mentioned? > > Yes, I agree- “no spoilers’- that’s common courtesy. Yes, I meant to type “for” not “against”, sorry. I think the point is valid still. You misrepresented and over-exaggerated his stance. You still didn’t answer my question (that has also been asked by others) - If you are cool with “no spoilers” why do you feel the need to mention the books? Can you answer that straight and directly? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senor-beef-and-his-crusade-against-knowledge/657743.md?page=8)