# SenorBeef And The Streisand Effect **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 19, 2024, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866 "2024-12-19T13:49:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/21 "2024-12-19T17:52:23Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > It didn’t help that she had a short campaign, Trump had a lot of money and messaging in his corner, and he’d been prepping for this for awhile. I think she wouldn’t have won anyway, but those things probably hurt her, and yes that was the Democrats/Biden to blame because they could have changed things earlier and given her more time. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/22 "2024-12-19T17:55:20Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Which brings up another thing - Trump made major gains in pretty much every minority group in the last election. Is a policy of “Democrats only run white men from now on,” going to help reverse that? > > Seems unlikely. Yeah, I think that tracks with this: > **[Global Elections in 2024: What We Learned in a Year of Political Disruption](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/12/11/global-elections-in-2024-what-we-learned-in-a-year-of-political-disruption/)** > > Voters in more than 60 countries went to the polls in what turned out to be a difficult year for incumbents and traditional political parties. > What made 2024 such a tough year for incumbents? While every election is shaped by local factors, **economic challenges were a consistent theme across the globe**. She was caught up in that wave. I suspect no matter what, the Democrats were doomed. It was a “wrong place, wrong time” situation. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/23 "2024-12-19T17:58:01Z")
I really hope the superiority we feel by nominating a woman of color (a well qualified, intelligent, perfectly awesome woman of color who would have done a great job as president to be sure) in the face of a nation that is still full of a majority of bigots, haters, and idiots, outweighs the lack of health care for trans people, especially minors, the rollbacks on anti-discrimination policies, the possible loss of equal rights for wide swathes of minorities, and the sharp turn to a fascist nation is worth it. The fault, of course, remains with those bigots, haters, and idiots and the Republican party that full on supports their bigotry, hating, and stupidity. Not with the people who point out that maybe paying attention to reality isn’t the worst thing in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/24 "2024-12-19T18:03:49Z")
Well, I’d sincerely like to hire you, but I’m afraid our customers just wouldn’t accept you as a service provider, so I’m forced to hire the white man instead. Really, I’m on your side in all this, but I’d appreciate it if you GTFO before my customers show up. Thank you, and of course you’ll have the good taste not to mention I was considering you for the job. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/25 "2024-12-19T18:16:59Z")
I have to wonder about people who draw the conclusion without evidence that we need to be more bigoted to win. That sounds like an excuse to be bigoted. Really people. It’s the fucking inflation. That’s it. The answer isn’t jumping on the alt right bus. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/26 "2024-12-19T18:21:00Z")
The answer lies in Carlin’s razor. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/AKN1Q5SjbeI/maxresdefault.jpg "George Carlin - Stupid people") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKN1Q5SjbeI) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/27 "2024-12-19T18:25:34Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > The answer lies in Carlin’s razor. That’s very similar to something I posted yesterday. 😆 > [@Omnibus Stupid MFers in the news thread (Part 2)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3201): > > People _worldwide_ decided to replace whoever was in charge with someone different, and the US was part of that. It was stupid but people are stupid and make stupid decisions when they’re upset. And people are upset about inflation even if their country’s leaders can’t actually do anything real to fix it, they gotta blame _somebody_. ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/28 "2024-12-19T19:10:33Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’m interested in the realpolitik of the situation “Realpolitik” was my take on your post as well, and I’m struggling to figure out why it deserved a pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/29 "2024-12-19T19:26:17Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Well, I’d sincerely like to hire you, but I’m afraid our customers just wouldn’t accept you as a service provider, so I’m forced to hire the white man instead. > > Really, I’m on your side in all this, but I’d appreciate it if you GTFO before my customers show up. > > Thank you, and of course you’ll have the good taste not to mention I was considering you for the job. Excellent examples of the necessity of anti-discrimination laws in hiring and public accommodations. Now if we had anti-discrimination laws in public elections … ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/30 "2024-12-19T19:48:33Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@SenorBeef](#): > > > > But let me pose to you a hypothetical: Let’s say that we run a generic white guy straight Christian within the norms democrat and he beats Trump 90% of the time. And we run a woman of color and because of the shittiness of the American public, she beats Trump 40% of the time. > > The problem is you’re pulling those numbers directly out of your ass. We don’t know that a “generic white Christian man” beats Trump 90% of the time. Don’t hypotheticals, _almost by definition_, involve pulling numbers out of your ass? I mean, in the _same paragraph_ you responded to, SenorBeef says: > [@](#): > > I’m not saying that these are the actual numbers. Hypotheticals are used to demonstrate a point in principle. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/31 "2024-12-19T20:08:45Z")
Same here. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/32 "2024-12-19T20:11:25Z")
> [@YamatoTwinkie](#): > > “Realpolitik” was my take on your post as well, and I’m struggling to figure out why it deserved a pitting. By itself, I agree his position was not worth a pitting. **Miller** handed **SenorBeef** his ass in the first thread. (Am I wrong folks?) He then accused **Miller** of straw manning and not arguing in good faith. Not content with that. **SenorBeef** started the ATMB thread to draw more attention. _That_ is worth a pitting. **SenorBeef** has repeatedly failed to understand why I am pitting him. Rather than countering what I have actually written, he continually responds to what he claims I am thinking. I find this Pit-worthy as well. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/33 "2024-12-19T20:14:08Z")
How in the world was I trying to draw more attention to the thread by my ATMB post? I didn’t link to it in either direction, or say who I was talking about, and did nothing but ask a reasonable technical question that I had a perfectly good reason to ask. The reason for your pit is stupid and bizarre, this whole “Streissand effect” line of attack makes zero sense given that I am clearly not trying to hide anything and still engaging in public discourse about the topic at hand. But now you’re saying that I was trying to hide my participation and made a mistake by posting in ATMB because it revealed the secret I didn’t want anyone to know (Streissand effect), but now you’re saying that I did it purposely to “draw more attention.” Even within your nonsensical accusations, you’re accusing me of two completely mutually contradictory htings. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/34 "2024-12-19T20:17:16Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The reason for your pit is stupid and bizarre, this whole “Streissand effect” line of attack makes zero sense given that I am clearly not trying to hide anything and still engaging in public discourse about the topic at hand. To be fair, DocCathode admitted that there is no Streissand Effect going on. > [@DocCathode](#): > > Well, that isn’t quite the right term. [The Streissand Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect). However, as always I wanted a title I could link to in other forums. I don’t blame you for being upset about the name though, because the thread title alone is still painting you with that brush. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/35 "2024-12-19T20:18:46Z")
STREISAND, people. Two s’s, not three. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/36 "2024-12-19T20:19:21Z")
He implies I made a mistake by creating the ATMB thread because it lead him to the deep dark discovery of my big shameful secret – stuff I openly posted on a message board and continue to post about. And that’s how he caught me. And now he’s saying I did it with the express purpose of bringing attention to the other thread, even though I made no reference to the thread in either direction. No matter how you interpret it, it’s a stupid line of attack. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/37 "2024-12-19T20:28:08Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Two s’s, not three. The third one is just drawing attention to itself. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/38 "2024-12-19T20:30:27Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > But now you’re saying that I was trying to hide my participation and made a mistake by posting in ATMB because it revealed the secret I didn’t want anyone to know Once again, I NEVER said that. If I did QUOTE ME! I have repeatedly said that after taking and defending a position that was both racist and misogynist, badly losing a debate to \*_Miller_, falsely accusing him of straw manning and not arguing in good faith- the sensible thing to do would have been to stop posting in the thread. I have (not once) said you did the sensible thing. Not realizing it would boomerang, or perhaps not even realizing that the ATMB thread would draw more attention to the Harris thread, you started your ATMB thread. I, and others found the debate. It lead to this Pit thread. Once here, rather than admitting you may have made mistakes, you just double down. I said you did not understand why I Pitted you. So, you repeat the same ‘explanation’ you did before. The one I previously told you was wrong, I said you did not understand. Your post is my cite. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/39 "2024-12-19T20:42:47Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > He implies I made a mistake by creating the ATMB thread because it lead him to the deep dark discovery of my big shameful secret – Finally you almost understand me! I am not implying anything. I am saying it outright! Again, you badly lost a debate. Rather than admitting a mistake, you doubled down by accusing **Miller** of straw manning and not debating in good faith. You doubled down again by starting the ATMB thread. If you honestly did not know that would draw more attention to the debate you lost, say so and I will use smaller words. You also keep repeating ‘I posted it on a public message board. Therefore, I cannot possibly be ashamd of it!’ For example, I wanted to post this thread before things got busy at work. So, I used the Streissand Effect. I now regret that, because you seem fixated on that rather than paying attention to anything else I type. If, for the sake of argument, you have never made a post you felt shameful about and wished you could delete- you are the only poster on any message board ever to achieve this. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/40 "2024-12-19T20:46:35Z")
You’re just tiresome and this line of attack is stupid. In order for what you did to make any sense, I would have to want people not to read my words in the GD thread. I would have to think that what I’ve said was wrong and shameful and be embarrassed about what I’ve said in these threads. I am not. You think I should be, but that’s irrelevant to the connection you’re trying to draw between the GD thread and the ATMB thread. I’m not ashamed just because you think I should be. I attempted to make no connection whatsoever between the ATMB and GD threads, but if other people like you make that connection, that’s completely fine with me, because I stand by what I wrote. If more people read what I wrote, that’s good with me, because that’s one of the goals of writing on a public message board. Your entire premise is “haha caught you! I wouldn’t have saw your post that I think is wrong and shameful if you didn’t make a post in another forum!” and my response is “that’s fine, I put all of that out there on purpose, stand by it, and I’m fine with everyone reading it” You are so sure that you’re right here, and obviously there is significant controversy in this thread with some people agreeing and some people disagreeing with the original arguments I made in the GD thread. But those are really just a continuation of the arguments in the GD thread and don’t support whatever Streisand gambit you think you’re playing. I don’t think anyone here thinks you landed your convoluted “gotcha” and is impressed with you for pitting me over asking a technical question on ATMB. For the weird purpose you claim this thread serves, this is a failed pitting. You would’ve been better off just generically attacking me for the arguments I’m making, but then, as many other people in this thread have said, there was nothing really pit-worthy about that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866.md?page=3)