# SenorBeef And The Streisand Effect **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 19, 2024, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866 "2024-12-19T13:49:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/101 "2024-12-20T04:20:27Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, Katie Hobbs, or John Fetterman would probably have won. …none of these people would have won. Most Americans probably wouldn’t even know who half of these people were. And Fetterman would almost guarantee a good deal of progressive voters (more than already did) would have stayed home. ---
**Author:** ![songsoflovetrouble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@songsoflovetrouble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/songsoflovetrouble)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/102 "2024-12-20T04:25:15Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > And Fetterman would almost guarantee a good deal of progressive voters (more than already did) would have stayed home. Yes, we already know that “progressives” whose lives revolve around keeping Democrats from winning elections hate Fetterman because he committed the two cardinal sins in their worldview- he believes the normal things that the average Democratic voter believes and is capable of winning elections. The behavior of progressives during the Biden administration, when he gave them everything they claimed to want on minimum wage, student debt, and climate change and they just hated him more for it, and during the election when they openly campaigned against the Democratic ticket, shows that they are worthless as a political ally and do nothing but bring the ticket down by association with their crazy ideas. Someone who would finally disavow them in toto like Fetterman is exactly what’s needed. > Most Americans probably wouldn’t even know who half of these people were. The assumption is that a competent politician like Josh Stein would have used his billion-dollar campaign fund to make his name and positions known, rather than to run commercials saying “Trump was right about inflation and I’m going to fix it by regulating grocery store prices federally” and other insane nonsense that Kamala’s circle of idiots landed on. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/103 "2024-12-20T04:33:04Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > he believes the normal things that the average Democratic voter believes and is capable of winning elections. …liar. Fetterman is a fraud. I can’t believe that the average Democratic voter supports the continuation of the war in Gaza, and all of the polling suggests otherwise. > [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > The behavior of progressives during the Biden administration, when he gave them everything they claimed to want on minimum wage Biden gave the police billions more in funding and in 2023 the cops killed more people than ever before. And his administration is (I’m assuming I can mention this in the pit) _complicit_ in the genocide of the Palestinian people. (And no, I will not debate this here. But it needed to be said) The Biden administration wasn’t a friend to progressives. Stop pretending that he was. > [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > The assumption is that a competent politician like Josh Stein would have used his billion-dollar campaign fund They literally only had months. It wouldn’t have been enough, even with a “billion-dollar campaign fund”, for someone that nobody had heard of who really isn’t very exciting to come out of nowhere to win against Trump. You are dreaming. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/104 "2024-12-20T04:40:41Z")
…and just a reminder that Fetterman won on a _progressive agenda_. Then he turned around and _abandoned them_. He isn’t to be trusted. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/105 "2024-12-20T04:48:44Z")
No, just tossing in names that posed no danger to Trump whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/106 "2024-12-20T05:25:37Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > The behavior of progressives during the Biden administration, when he gave them everything they claimed to want on minimum wage, student debt, and climate change and they just hated him more for it, and during the election when they openly campaigned against the Democratic ticket, shows that they are worthless as a political ally and do nothing but bring the ticket down by association with their crazy ideas. Oh, you’re THAT sort of asshole. Got it. Needless to say, none of these things actually happened in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/107 "2024-12-20T06:29:40Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Oh, you’re THAT sort of asshole. More like that sort of sock (if you ask me). ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/108 "2024-12-20T07:08:31Z")
You’re both right! Well, **songs** is less right, because Biden certainly didn’t give progressives ALL we wanted on minimum wage and climate change, but his economic/industrial policy overall was a vast improvement over Obama’s. And, also, his record on police reform and Gaza was atrocious. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/109 "2024-12-20T07:15:54Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > Biden won in 2020 largely by disavowing The Groups, The Blue-Haired College Students, and the DSA and being the normal adult that people want, Again, this just isn’t what happened. That’s what Hillary did. Even when he didn’t give us what we wanted, Biden treated progressives as an important part of the Democratic coalition with whom he had some policy disagreements, not as hostile alien life forms. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/110 "2024-12-20T12:00:05Z")
When sea lions argue… ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/111 "2024-12-20T18:48:56Z")
I resent that! I have been entirely polite and respectful, while you have only dropped into the thread to post snarky one liners! ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/112 "2024-12-20T18:51:14Z")
Anyway, WE seems to have closed the original P & E thread, and God forbid the world should be deprived of the wisdom contained in the post I was writing while he did that, so here it is: There’s no obvious villain here. Biden screwed the party and the country over by not leaving when it was clearly time to go. That left us with a candidate with no history of success in national elections. But really, being mad at a politician for wanting to cling to power is like being mad at a dog for licking his balls…it’s just what they do. Also, polling strongly suggested that anyone other than Biden (or maybe Sanders) wouldn’t have beaten Trump in 2020, so we owe him respect for that. And he likely couldn’t have won without a running mate who provided racial and gender balance to the ticket, so his choices were constrained there. The Democratic failure of 2024 was largely shaped by decisions which were probably necessary for the success in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/113 "2024-12-23T05:11:23Z")
You understand there’s a large excluded middle between _Kamala shouldn’t be the candidate in 2028_ and _never run a black woman again_, right? ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/114 "2024-12-23T18:45:54Z")
Yes, of course I realize that. It’s my impression that some other posters here don’t. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/115 "2024-12-27T05:00:41Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > No people are rebutting the flip side of the conclusion: that Democrats should adopt sexist or racist policies to win elections. Who said that Dems should adopt sexist or racist policies? I don’t mean who posted opinions that were dubiously considered racist or sexist, I’m saying please give the exact quote where someone opined what you alleged. @SenorBeef went well out of their way to hammer home the point that they, being non-racist and non-sexist, would love to have a woman or POC president, but that it’s far more important for the Dems to win the White House than to score feel-good points choosing a candidate based on checking the right progressive boxes even if they have no hope to win. I think where it started to go off the rails was when it was assumed that just because many of our country’s voters are not morally ready to vote for a woman or POC that means we need to be sure to specifically nominate such a person. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/116 "2024-12-27T05:22:49Z")
(Ran out of time) What chance do you guys think a black, Jewish, trans woman candidate would have? No chance? Oh well, probably so. But wouldnt it be great for all the black, Jewish, trans women? Now _that’s_ progress! ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/117 "2024-12-27T05:53:17Z")
> [@YamatoTwinkie](#): > > > [@SenorBeef](#): > > > > I’m interested in the realpolitik of the situation > > “Realpolitik” was my take on your post as well, and I’m struggling to figure out why it deserved a pitting. Absolutely spot on. But on the SDMB, it’s more important for many posters to signal their progressiveness to each other than to consider the reality of a situation. It’s letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/118 "2024-12-27T13:09:05Z")
There will never be a president of the US who is a woman of color. I’m not saying that because I’m sexist and racist, but because America is. Anyone who can’t see what a bigoted society America is, especially after this most recent election, is just stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/119 "2024-12-27T13:19:58Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > There will never be a president of the US who is a woman of color. You probably wouldn’t even have to go back 50 years to find the exact same thing being said about a black man getting elected in the US. Societies change over time. To suggest it will never happen is shortsighted. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866/120 "2024-12-27T18:45:16Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Societies change over time. No shit, for example America is regressing. We just elected an insane fascist game show host to be president as a specific reaction to a black president. What fucking planet are you living on? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senorbeef-and-the-streisand-effect/1011866.md?page=7)