# Separating immigrants from their children is child abuse. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 16, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206 "2018-06-16T16:45:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/501 "2018-06-27T15:22:46Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Yes, I think President Obama and the Democratic party deliberately skirted the law with a combination of catch-and-release and sanctuary cities. And you think Trump’s executive order/action directing an end to separations is illegal? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/502 "2018-06-27T16:10:09Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > “Federal judge orders families separated at border to be reunited within 30 days” > > [Federal judge orders families separated at border to be reunited within 30 days - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/separated-border-families-reunited-within-30-days-california-judge-dana-sabraw-rules-today-2018-06-26/) From the decision (italics in original): “The government readily keeps track of personal property of detainees in criminal and immigration proceedings. Money, important documents, and automobiles, to name a few, are routinely catalogued, stored, tracked, and produced upon a detainee’s release, at all levels - state and federal, citizen and alien. Yet, the government has no system in place to keep track of, provide effective communication with, and promptly produce alien children. The unfortunate reality is that under the present system migrant children are not accounted for with the same efficiency and accuracy as _property_.” Horrible. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/503 "2018-06-27T16:23:14Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Yet, the government has no system in place to keep track of, provide effective communication with, and promptly produce alien children. When compatible beings love each other very much… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/504 "2018-06-27T22:17:26Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > When compatible beings love each other very much… > > 😃 > **[Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex](http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html)** > > An exceedingly amusing story by Larry > Niven about the Superman's procreative challenges. “Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex” An essay by Larry Niven (1971) concerning the difficulties in cross breeding Terrans and Kryptons. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/505 "2018-06-28T17:35:01Z")
With Trump, Sessions, Ryan, Pence etc. displaying their evil so prominently, it is easy to overlook that there are also _human beings_ associated with the U.S. government. One of them visited a border prison. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [Elizabeth Warren’s account of her trip to the border prisons](https://www.facebook.com/ElizabethWarren/posts/10155822214623687) is something you all should read. > > This is a difficult account to read. There is no way that this is the best solution to any immigration problem whatsoever. In case Facebook doesn’t let non-Facers read the page, [here is a link to Senator Warren’s post at her own blog site.](https://elizabethwarren.com/border-family-separation/) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/506 "2018-06-28T17:56:30Z")
Wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/507 "2018-06-30T15:04:10Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > With Trump, Sessions, Ryan, Pence etc. displaying their evil so prominently, it is easy to overlook that there are also _human beings_ associated with the U.S. government. One of them visited a border prison. > > In case Facebook doesn’t let non-Facers read the page, [here is a link to Senator Warren’s post at her own blog site.](https://elizabethwarren.com/border-family-separation/) This is actually nauseating to read. Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/508 "2018-07-01T03:07:56Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > This is actually nauseating to read. Jesus. Yeah. I hope others can read it. This has got to end. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/509 "2018-07-01T04:02:06Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Yeah. I hope others can read it. This has got to end. I wish I could get everybody I know to read it, but I know for a fact that some of them, including members of my own family, will say it’s all exaggerated or just plain lies because they can’t stand Elizabeth Warren. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/510 "2018-07-05T14:18:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Official DHS doc: “subject was notified of the right to communicate with a consular officer…as per…the Vienna Convention of Consular Relations. The subject acknowledged understanding the right but declined to speak with a consular officer” > > “subject” is a 6-year-old client. [Source.](https://twitter.com/abogada_laura/status/1014214985218547712) The banality of evil. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/511 "2018-07-05T14:45:08Z")
nm, accidental duplicate ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/512 "2018-07-06T00:43:17Z")
[Judy Woodruff](https://twitter.com/JudyWoodruff/status/1014998271532597248): > [@](#): > > 14 month old boy separated from immigrant parents at the border, was returned after 85 days, covered with lice, had apparently not been bathed Seriously: everyone who helped think of this, plan it, implement it - everyone - should have the privilege of spending the rest of their lives in a Supermax prison, until they die of old age. Maybe Gitmo can be repurposed for all the Trump-related criminals. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/513 "2018-07-06T13:58:55Z")
I was thinking a gorilla cage would be more appropriate, but the gorillas haven’t done anything to deserve that ☹ :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/514 "2018-07-06T18:12:54Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > [Source.](https://twitter.com/abogada_laura/status/1014214985218547712) > > The banality of evil. That stuff happens all the time. ICE lies on charging documents and sworn statements. I have seen credible reports of statements that two-year-olds declared that they were coming to the United States to find work. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/515 "2018-07-07T01:55:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Government lawyers said Friday that they cannot locate the parents of 38 migrant children under the age of 5, as a federal judge indicated he is open to extending the deadline for reuniting nearly 3,000 children separated from their mothers and fathers while crossing the US-Mexico border. > > In a status hearing with U.S. District Judge Dana Sabraw of the Southern District of California, who ordered the reunification, government lawyers said the Health and Human Services Department would only be able to reunify about half of approximately 100 children under the age of 5 by the court-ordered deadline of July 10. > > For 19 children, their parents have been released from custody into the U.S. and their whereabouts are unknown. The parents of another 19 children have been deported. > **[Feds can't find parents of 38 migrant kids, seek new reunion deadline](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-asks-more-time-reunite-kids-parents-separated-border-n889301)** > > The parents of 19 young children were already deported, and the whereabouts of parents of another 19 are unknown. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/516 "2018-07-07T03:29:34Z")
Health and Human Services officials told the governor of Washington that any detained children that are placed in long-term foster care are considered “reunited”. > **[Gov. Inslee: Trump does not intend to reunite families](https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/gov-inslee-trump-does-not-intend-to-reunite-families-1271895107686?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ai)** > > Inslee says officials told his office that children might be placed in foster homes instead of being reunited with their parents. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/517 "2018-07-07T10:05:45Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Health and Human Services officials told the governor of Washington that any detained children that are placed in long-term foster care are considered “reunited”. > > [Gov. Inslee: Trump does not intend to reunite families](https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/gov-inslee-trump-does-not-intend-to-reunite-families-1271895107686?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ai) Holy shit. And a little light reading from the legal documents. [Don’t click through if you want to think peaceful thoughts this morning.](https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1014227163137142784) ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/518 "2018-07-12T03:14:32Z")
And it just gets even more grotesque: > **[The sweltering soccer field ICE moved the mothers...so official wouldn't hear...](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/6/1777865/-The-sweltering-soccer-field-ICE-moved-the-mothers-so-official-wouldn-t-hear-their-screams?detail=emaildkre)** > > I had a little trouble feeling patriotic this July 4th, and it’s not just because our president is on the take with Russia.  No, I had a real sickness in the pit of my stomach because this happened just one week prior: > > > > > > > ICE... > **[This judge says toddlers can defend themselves in immigration court](https://www.latimes.com/nation/immigration/la-na-immigration-judge-20160306-story.html)** > > A federal immigration judge believes migrant toddlers can defend themselves in court, according to a deposition in a court case brought by advocates seeking government-appointed attorneys for the youths. Tiny tots can comprehend immigration law? WTFF? One-year-old is asked if he understands said law: > **[1-Year-Old Shows Up In Immigration Court](https://www.npr.org/2018/07/08/627082032/1-year-old-shows-up-in-immigration-court)** > > The boy, who was brought to the United States from Honduras, drank milk and played with a ball as he awaited the hearing in Phoenix. Surreal. And sickening. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206/519 "2018-07-17T15:36:21Z")
[Immigrant children are being held in a building with no showers, so they have to bathe in the sinks.](https://www.revealnews.org/blog/exclusive-immigrant-kids-held-in-second-phoenix-office-seen-bathing-in-sinks/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/separating-immigrants-from-their-children-is-child-abuse/816206.md?page=25)