# Sequel Works which add Important Lore Rules which Never Appeared in the Original **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 19, 2023, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784 "2023-08-19T05:21:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/101 "2023-08-23T22:57:58Z")
For that matter, in _A New Hope_ there’s no indication that the Emperor has anything to do with “The Force” - the Empire has put a lot of effort into the Death Star plan, but Darth, the Force guy, doesn’t think the Death Star is so great. The idea that the Emperor was a bigger, badder Force adept than Darth Vader was a bit of a surprise when the sequels came out - and it undercuts that whole “sad devotion to an ancient religion” business. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/102 "2023-08-23T23:07:39Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > It is - it’s arbitrary. They make up rules whenever they want. Yup. The books mention that the 25th and 50th had some special bullshit going on, but I can’t remember what it was. I think in one of them 4 tributes competed per district? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/103 "2023-08-23T23:38:14Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > The relationship nickname options are KatPee or Peeniss. Awesome! ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/104 "2023-08-23T23:49:49Z")
I wasn’t disagreeing with you. The notion of a Quarter Quell was added in the second book. I was just letting you know out of interest. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/105 "2023-08-24T02:42:41Z")
I was under the impression that Xenomorphs always existed as in Prometheus itself on the walls of the alien ship you can see stone carvings of Xenomorphs and facehuggers. David just decided to literally play God and speed up the lifecycle. ---
**Author:** ![caligulathegod](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caligulathegod/32/9685_2.png) [@caligulathegod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligulathegod)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/106 "2023-08-24T02:56:49Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > For that matter, in _A New Hope_ there’s no indication that the Emperor has anything to do with “The Force” - the Empire has put a lot of effort into the Death Star plan, but Darth, the Force guy, doesn’t think the Death Star is so great. The idea that the Emperor was a bigger, badder Force adept than Darth Vader was a bit of a surprise when the sequels came out - and it undercuts that whole “sad devotion to an ancient religion” business. I’d agree. Here’s the prologue from the novelization, giving an idea of how the Emperor was originally conceived. > ANOTHER galaxy, another time. > The Old Republic was the Republic of legend, greater than distance or time. No need to note where it was or whence it came, only to know that … it was the Republic. Once, under the wise rule of the Senate and the protection of the Jedi Knights, the Republic throve and grew. But as often happens when wealth and power pass beyond the admirable and attain the awe­ some, then appear those evil ones who have greed to match. So it was with the Republic at its height. Like the greatest of trees, able to withstand any external attack, the Republic rotted from within though the danger was not visible from outside. Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of-commerce, the ambitious Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic. Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-tickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears. Having exterminated through treachery and deception the Jedi Knights, guardians of justice in the galaxy, the Imperial governors and bureaucrats prepared to institute a reign of terror among the disheartened worlds of the galaxy. Many used the imperial forces and the name of the increasingly isolated Emperor to further their own personal ambitions. But a small number of systems rebelled at these new outrages. Declaring themselves opposed to the New Order they began the great battle to restore the Old Republic. From the beginning they were vastly outnumbered by the systems held in thrall by the Emperor. In those first dark days it seemed certain the bright flame of resistance would be extinguished before it could cast the light of new truth across a galaxy of oppressed and beaten peoples ••• > From the First Saga > Journal of the Whills > > “They were in the wrong place at the wrong time, Naturally they became heroes.” > Leia Organa of Alderaan, Senator ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/107 "2023-08-24T04:51:56Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > The government fabricated that to get rid of Katniss and Peta(?) or whatever his name was. It was a rather easy ploy to kill off a dangerous rebel. So, basically, it’s _Rollerball_ for teens. ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/108 "2023-08-24T16:20:38Z")
Thank you for the info. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/109 "2023-08-24T16:48:38Z")
> [@caligulathegod](#): > > ANOTHER galaxy, another time. > The Old Republic was the Republic of legend, greater than distance or time. No need to note where it was or whence it came, only to know that … it was the Republic. Once, under the wise rule of the Senate and the protection of the Jedi Knights, the Republic throve and grew. But as often happens when wealth and power pass beyond the admirable and attain the awe­ some, then appear those evil ones who have greed to match. So it was with the Republic at its height. Like the greatest of trees, able to withstand any external attack, the Republic rotted from within though the danger was not visible from outside. Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of-commerce, the ambitious Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic. Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-tickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears. Having exterminated through treachery and deception the Jedi Knights, guardians of justice in the galaxy, the Imperial governors and bureaucrats prepared to institute a reign of terror among the disheartened worlds of the galaxy. Many used the imperial forces and the name of the increasingly isolated Emperor to further their own personal ambitions. But a small number of systems rebelled at these new outrages. Declaring themselves opposed to the New Order they began the great battle to restore the Old Republic. From the beginning they were vastly outnumbered by the systems held in thrall by the Emperor. In those first dark days it seemed certain the bright flame of resistance would be extinguished before it could cast the light of new truth across a galaxy of oppressed and beaten peoples Throve? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/110 "2023-08-24T17:17:06Z")
Gethroven ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/111 "2023-08-24T18:42:36Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Throve? Grand Admiral Thrawn’s less well-known younger brother. ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/112 "2023-08-24T21:25:33Z")
I looked it up, and yes, it’s a valid Scrabble word. I just hope it never shows up in Wordle. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/113 "2023-08-24T21:26:42Z")
Six letters. Whew. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/114 "2023-08-24T23:40:21Z")
Yeah, I looked it up, too; a declining but still acceptable (and in fact the original) past tense of “thrive” (my wild guess for a German form was wrong, however). A few years ago, I ran across an interesting study: English verbs have been regularizing over the century, with the “time-to-regularity” being inversely proportional to the rate of usage of the word. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/115 "2023-08-25T04:53:59Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Speaking of Star Trek: Data can’t use contractions - a fact that was made up for “Datalore” halfway through season 1; except of course until that point he had used contractions from time to time ( and occasionally after that too) I always thought this was a particularly dumb choice. Contractions are EASY. There are plenty of parts of the interaction between computers and natural language that are fraught and complicated. Contractions are not one of them. Similarly, Data getting his fingers caught in a Chinese finger trap is nonsensical. People get caught in them because people have the instinct to pull. A logical being should immediately realize that’s not working, stop doing, and analyze why. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/116 "2023-08-25T12:32:18Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I always thought this was a particularly dumb choice. Contractions are EASY. There are plenty of parts of the interaction between computers and natural language that are fraught and complicated. Contractions are not one of them. I think it’s because not using contractions makes language seem more formal or serious, and we tend to associate that sense of formality with lack of emotion. Remember that Spock rarely used contractions, either. There was no suggestion that he _couldn’t_, but he often _didn’t_. In reality, of course, there’s no actual connection between verbal contractions and emotion. But for whatever reason, we have this feeling that logical, emotionless beings would avoid contractions. And thus, we get “Data can’t use contractions.” ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/117 "2023-08-25T14:03:27Z")
Wasn’t it established that Soong deliberately made Data with various mannerisms to show he isn’t human. I always thought that Data’s difficulty using contractions was part of this. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/118 "2023-08-25T18:45:14Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > > > I always thought this was a particularly dumb choice. Contractions are EASY. There are plenty of parts of the interaction between computers and natural language that are fraught and complicated. Contractions are not one of them. > > I think it’s because not using contractions makes language seem more formal or serious, and we tend to associate that sense of formality with lack of emotion. Remember that Spock rarely used contractions, either. There was no suggestion that he _couldn’t_, but he often _didn’t_. > > In reality, of course, there’s no actual connection between verbal contractions and emotion. But for whatever reason, we have this feeling that logical, emotionless beings would avoid contractions. And thus, we get “Data can’t use contractions.” Neither can Captain Holt unless he’s lying. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/119 "2023-08-25T20:45:26Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Neither can Captain Holt unless he’s lying. Data shows emotion more often than Captain Holt. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784/120 "2023-08-26T07:53:53Z")
In the Return of the Jedi movie there’s a scene where Vader needs to talk to the emperor but the emperor’s throne is backward like he’s staring out the window and he’s kneeling and the emperor turns around after maybe a minute and the scene plays out In the return of the Jedi novelization, the emperor knows hes there but decides to be a dick and makes him wait a while But while hes doing so his thoughts wander back to the beginning of the whole thing and there are about 3-4 paragraphs of how it all started … Which is actually an idea outline of the prequels minus specific details to the point it telegraphs about 60 percent of them … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequel-works-which-add-important-lore-rules-which-never-appeared-in-the-original/988784.md?page=7)