That’s not all. Reading the book always ruins the movie that was based on the book. A lot of movies are based on very good books, but the film just concentrates on a few vivid or squalid scenes from the book, and ignores most of the rest, except loosely drifting along the original storyline. Sometimes important characters are completely written out. “Unberable Lightness of Being” was a book in three parts, and he movie was only about one of them.
I don’t mind sequels, I like many of them. It would be awful if the Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Stark Trek 4, Spiderman 2, or Captain American: Civil War didn’t get made.
The problem is when the studio disrespects the premise of the characters that we spent a movie or so getting to know. I loved how happy Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewbacca were at the end of ROTJ, it cheapens that to know that nothing good came out of all their stuggling.
As much as I love those reviews, this was the part that bugged me. You can literally do that for every character in the movie, the guys just want to prove their point.
Qui Gon: calm, cerebral, analytical, the ultimate teacher, full of conviction, willing to help
Obi-wan: headstrong, brash, dutiful
Amidala: caring, stubborn, also cerebral, a woman of action
See? You can do it for everyone.
(Emphasis added.) In real life, do we say nothing good came of WWII because it was followed by the Cold War instead of the peaceful post-war future (a United Nations with “teeth”, etc.) many envisioned during the war? No, because it was still better than leaving the Axis to roam unchecked. YMMV (and obviously does), but I don’t feel that ROTJ was rendered pointless by the “revelation” in Force Awakens that the Empire wasn’t going to disappear in a puff of smoke everywhere it held sway just because its head was cut off in one battle at one place. :dubious:
Jurassic Park: The Lost World didn’t destroy the first movie (I don’t think that’s possible–I adore that movie) but it did mess up one of the characters nearly beyond recognition. In JP, Ian Malcolm was brilliant, quirky, weird, a little bit skeevy, and just overall a fun character.
TLW saddled him with a wooden daughter (seriously, that kid was boring) and a girlfriend, both of whom required him to take on the role of “protective boyfriend/daddy” instead of “weird-ass chaotician and coolest guy in the room.” I was so excited for this to come out given how much I loved the first one, but the result was a big ol’ ‘meh.’
Leprechaun in the Hood totally ruined Leprechaun. I can’t even anymore.
This is exactly how I feel about it. I don’t think it’s possible for a sequel to retroactively ruin a previous movie, but it can certainly cast a shadow over your pleasant memories of the original movie. Sure, you can ignore the sequel or pretend it never happened, but you can’t un-remember it.
Blade Runner is one of my favorite films, but I’m already dreading the possibility that the forthcoming sequel will attempt to settle a 35-year debate—and not in the way I would prefer.
Most of the reviews were from 19 years ago, though, as you’d expect, and honestly I think a lot of people were trying really, really, really hard to find something to like. Even I at the time said “well, I guess that was OK.”
The movie hasn’t aged well; in retrospect, though at the time I said it was okay, I now think it’s a genuinely terrible movie.
Nah, it just kinda retconned it back to the end of series 7 and showed that it wasn’t lies after all. Look or read back on plot details a bit more. It was almost like a reboot.
I generally agree that no sequel can truly “ruin” a previous movie, because the previous movie still exists…
But in the spirit of this thread, Terminator 3 made all of T2 pointless. T2 is spent preventing Judgment Day, and our heroes sacrifice much and apparently triumph. T3 says that Judgment Day will happen no matter what.
(It’s kind of a shame, because I think T3 is an underrated movie on its own… fun, exciting, great action scenes. But it’s nowhere near as good as the first two, and its messages works against the superior T2, leaving it to be generally dismissed.)
Also, it pretty much goes without saying, but I think we can all agree that Naughty Night Nurses 8 really undoes all of the story progression from Naughty Night Nurses 7.
The prequels were absolutely horrible, all three of them. And they did, to a certain extent, ruin the original. Now every time I see Darth Vader I can’t help but think that Hayden Christiansen is inside that suit, which makes Vader laughable.
Good call.
I’d go with the terrible Exorcist 2. The director, John Boorman, had been slated to direct the original. I can only thank all the gods of cinema that he didn’t. We had to wait until Exorcist 3 for the true sequel.
It’s been shown pretty effectively quite a few times - by changing the context or resolution of the original.
For me, the biggie is “Revenge of the Sith” on a couple of fronts. Darth Vader’s last minute redemption as a good guy is blown by the scene where he kills the Padawans; just because he stood up for Luke doesn’t take away the fact that he carved up a bunch of grade-schoolers with a light saber.
Also, we see Anakin’s spirit join Yoda and Obi Wan after Darth Vader dies, when the earlier films make it clear that Yoda and Obi Wan spent years training to attain spirit form after death, a technique Anakin hadn’t even heard about.
You know the odd thing ? in RTOJ theres a 5 second scene where it shows vader kneeling waiting for the emperor to come out of using the force and acknowledge hes there
In the novelization the emperors who knows vaders there and makes him wait there for like a half hour just because he can and thinks its humorous begins remembering how he became emperor and basically sums up the plot of the 3 prequels in oh maybe a half of to a whole page …
Very few remember/know this … my problem is simply the movie and the story its self almost felt like they filmed a practice movie 4 years before ep4 and then rescued it from the vault … because they were so similar in look and tone
They may mention it, but I’m not sure if they “make it clear”, because I don’t recall seeing any reference to this sort of training in the original series. If it is in there, I’d say it wasn’t very clear. It’s clear that Obi Wan did something special at the climactic duel of SW but I don’t remember him prefacing this by telling Luke exactly what he was doing and how he learned it.
Sorry, I mean that the prequels make it clear that Yoda and Obi Wan are training in the technique while on Degobah and Tatooine respectively in the 15-some year gap between “Revenge of the Sith” and “A New Hope.” So how’s Anakin show up with them at the end of RTOJ? Without the later films/prequels, it could all be grouped under “the Force.”
Highlander 2. 'Nuff said.
Nightmare on Elm Street went from a horror movie in the first one to a parody of itself in the sequels.
They show no such thing. Also you don’t know what a meme is. A “meme” isn’t “an opinion DrDeth dislikes.”