# Sequels you May not Have Known Existed **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 4, 2003, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650 "2003-02-04T04:19:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/61 "2003-02-06T03:42:37Z")
Amazing Stories was an anthology series in the 80’s. IIRC some episodes were new material, some were adaptations of stories originally published in the pulp magazine. One episode is exactly the story you describe. Including a 30 year-old Tiny Tim announcing “I have decided that Tiny Tim is a boy’s name and that I am a man. I shall henceforth be known as Tiny Timothy!” Aleksia- I’ve seen the Blackadder Christmas special. It is very different from the episode above. For one, Blackadder is shown scenes of a very distant future-including a meeting with a space empress aboard a starship. The AS episode is set entirely in Victorian England. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/62 "2003-02-06T03:56:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dr. Rieux \* > \*\*In between _A Christmas Story_ (1983) and _It Runs in the Family_ (1994), was the made-for-PBS _Ollie Hopnoodle’s Haven of Bliss_ (1988), starring James Sikking and Dorothy Lyman, with Jerry O’Connell as Ralph. > [http://us.imdb.com/Details?0098023](http://us.imdb.com/Details?0098023) \*\* Holy Crap! I remember that now! I didn’t watch it all, but I was flipping thru the channels and recognized the characters. Oh, now I gotta hunt it down! ---
**Author:** ![zoogirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b9bd4f/32.png) [@zoogirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoogirl)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/63 "2003-02-06T04:45:08Z")
“That Was Then, This Is Now” is sort of a sequel to “The Outsiders”. It’s set in the same place and the characters from The Outsiders get a brief mention in TWTTIN. How about “Grease 2”, God help us! Horrid. How about sequel songs? “It’s My Party” was followed by “Judy’s Turn To Cry”. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/64 "2003-02-06T07:30:47Z")
Well THIS is interesting…according to Imdb, the original “Christmas story” itself was in fact a **sequel** to [two earlier films](http://us.imdb.com/Mlinks?0085334), [“Phantom of the Open Hearth”](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0202527) in 1976 and [The Great American Fourth of July and Other Disasters](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0084022) in 1982, in addition to the later “Ollie Hopnoodle” and “A Summer Story/It runs in the family.” I wonder if “A summer story” isn’t in fact a remake. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/65 "2003-02-06T15:00:29Z")
I’ve seen **The Great American Fourth of July and Other Disasters** , but it’s been years. It’s actually a PBS thing, made by WGBH and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Hard to say what was a sequel to what, really, since in **GAFoJaOD** Ralphie is a teenager, but it came out before **A Christmas Story** … > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Keith Berry \* > \*\*Anyone ever catch the made-for-TV sequel to “A Christmas Carol”? > > I can’t remember when it came out or who played in it, but it basically has Scrooge being visited again by the Christmas Ghosts…this time, not because he’s being too mean to people, but because he’s being too nice! > > For instance, the Ghost Of X-mas Future shows how his open-handed generosity to Tiny Tim winds up making Tim into a egotisical rich prick who evicts his own family on Christmas Eve! > > So Scrooge has to learn how to treat people nicely without spoiling them or corrupting them with money. On Christmas Day, instead of telling the street urchin to buy the fattest goose at the market, he tells him to buy the “second-fattest goose”. > > I swear to God this exists. I remember watching it. \*\* Actually, I think what you have a hold of there was an episode of the 80s revival of **The Twilight Zone**. I remember it as well. I remember Scrooge telling the kid to go to the shop for a goose, and when the kid says, “What, the one that’s as big as me?” Scrooge says, “No! The one that’s just big enough for a family of six!” ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/66 "2003-02-06T20:01:42Z")
The well-known Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was followed by the little-known Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator. ---
**Author:** ![jeanster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc348/32.png) [@jeanster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeanster)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/67 "2003-02-08T06:12:07Z")
I’ve seen: The Stepford Wives (1975) [http://us.imdb.com/Title?0073747](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0073747) Revenge of the Stepford Wives (1980 TV). [http://us.imdb.com/Title?0081423](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0081423) and The Stepford Children (1987 TV) [http://us.imdb.com/Title?0094036](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0094036) Have not seen The Stepford Husbands (1996 TV) [http://us.imdb.com/Title?0117741](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0117741) I figured it would only be a matter of time for The Stepford Pets to be released. No such luck. But I hear they are doing a remake of the original The Stepford Wives: [http://us.imdb.com/Title?0327162](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0327162) ---
**Author:** ![widdershins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f0a364/32.png) [@widdershins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/widdershins)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/68 "2003-02-08T12:07:23Z")
There’s a TV movie sort-of-sequel or prequel to _A River Runs Through It_ called _Ranger, The Cook, And A Hole In The Sky_. Both are based on stories from the same Norman MacLean book. The TV movie is decent but it’s more of a sweet coming of age comedy. _The Hidden 2_ also falls into that category of Sequels That Use Gratuitous Flashbacks To The Original To Pad Out Their Running Time. ---
**Author:** ![Reno\_Nevada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Reno\_Nevada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reno_Nevada)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/69 "2003-02-08T20:43:12Z")
The move _Cruel Intentions_ was, of course, a modern teen sex romp based on _Les Liaisons Dangereuses_. I am a big fan of de Laclos’ book, and so watched both _Cruel Intentions_ and the direct-to-video _ **Cruel Intentions II** _. The latter was in fact a prequel to the former, and even had an extremely interesting premise–what would the affair between Valmont and Mertueil \* have been like (if, of course, they were modern teens). It was, naturally, executed poorly, in part because the filmakers insisted on making Valmont, the protagonist, sympathetic. I cannot remember the names used in the modern version. ---
**Author:** ![TVS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@TVS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVS)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/70 "2003-02-09T00:29:01Z")
I was going to bring up Crule Intentions 2. What an awful movie! According to IMDB’s trivia, it was the first few episodes of a cancelled TV show that were edited together to form a semi-coherent movie. It was cancelled because of a truly tasteful and artistic scene involving a teenage girl using a horse saddle to pleasure herself. [http://us.imdb.com/Trivia?0196267](http://us.imdb.com/Trivia?0196267) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Punkyova](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@The\_Punkyova](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Punkyova)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/71 "2003-02-09T02:51:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RealityChuck \* > \*\*Actually, the movie **The Lion in Winter** was played as a sequel of **Beckett**. Peter O’Toole played King Henry II both times, and he performed the role as an extension of the same character. \*\* What? Are you sure? I love **The Lion in Winter** , and can’t stand **Beckett**. I have often marvelled that the same actor, playing the same historical character, can produce two such utterly different characters. Henry II in **Beckett** is vain, shallow, egotistical and silly. Henry II in **The Lion in Winter** is cunning, intelligent, charistmatic and complex. IMO, the ability to do this is what makes O’Toole a great actor, not just a movie star. Can you give me some kind of cite that Peter O’Toole extrapolated the one from the other? ---
**Author:** ![Blackeyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f6c823/32.png) [@Blackeyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackeyes)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/72 "2003-02-09T03:50:29Z")
We will always remember [Psycho II](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0086154). And it’s little-known sequel, [Psycho III](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0091799). ---
**Author:** ![detop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@detop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/detop)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/73 "2003-02-09T04:05:41Z")
You forgot the final sequel [Psycho IV](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0102724) ---
**Author:** ![Blackeyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f6c823/32.png) [@Blackeyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackeyes)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/74 "2003-02-09T04:39:14Z")
Ta da. ---
**Author:** ![GraceTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@GraceTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GraceTX)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/75 "2003-02-09T04:44:51Z")
What?! No mention of Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2, and Army of Darkness? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/76 "2003-02-09T06:36:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by detop \* > \*\*You forgot the final sequel [Psycho IV](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0102724) \*\* Not to mention _The Bates Motel_. Imagine Fnatasy Island in the motel and you’ve got a fair idea of the one and only episode of this series. Costarred that chick who played Tank Girl. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/77 "2003-02-09T07:07:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Grace \* > \*\*What?! No mention of Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2, and Army of Darkness? \*\* Well, I was under the impression those weren’t exactly “unkown” sequels. Though I’d say that Evil Dead and Army of Darkness are likely better known then Evil Dead 2. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/78 "2003-02-09T08:06:27Z")
_Darkman_ had two straight-to-video sequels, with Arnold Vosloo (better known for playing Imhotep in the recent _Mummy_ movies) playing the vigliante here. The first sequel was \*Darkman II: The Return of Durant \* with Larry Drake reprising his role from the first movie… …which was strange because his character had been killed in an fiery helicoper crash. The second sequel is _Darkman III: Die Darkman Die_, which is of course German for “The Darkman The”. _Tremors_ had two video sequels, too, with Michael Gross’s right-wing survivalist character in both. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/79 "2003-02-09T13:27:59Z")
_Son Of Kong_. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650/80 "2003-02-09T15:51:26Z")
_The wooooooords get stuck in my throat. The wooooooords get stuck in my throat. The wooooooords get stuck in my throat._ Who could forget the dulcet tones of the lovely Kipp Hamilton singing those lines in the classic **War of the Gargantuas**? That was actually a sequel to the previous years **Frankenstein Conquers the World**. _. . . made in cooperation with American International’s producer Henry Saperstein, who decided the creatures looked more like Kong than Frankenstein’s monster and arranged for all references to the previous Frankenstein film be dropped, including a flashback that explained how a ‘brother’ of the monster emerged._ –_The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction Movies_, Phil Hardy (1984) Even further back, fresh D.W. Griffith’s classic movie version of his excellent treatise on race relations **Birth of a Nation** , Thomas Dixon tried his own hand at movie-making with filming the sequel he had written **Fall of a Nation**. I seem to recall reading that it’s sitting in some colleges film library somewhere. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sequels-you-may-not-have-known-existed/152650.md?page=5)