# Serdar Argic's cousin is a member of the SDMB **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961 "2009-06-25T17:11:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/61 "2009-06-26T20:42:47Z")
Elvis, Elvis, Elvis… do you have any idea how many shekels I’ve had to take from Mossad, how much of their dirty work I’ve had to do in order to earn this Pit thread? This is about me and my nefarious Great Debates behavior, not how you’re really fucking stupid. You go be really stupid in a bunch of other threads and, if you’re lucky, you can earn your own Pit threads. And, really, you’ve already made your point, we get it. Even historically, blatantly obvious symbolism is totally lost on you, because you’re either a moron or you just play one on the Dope for lulz. Now go away and let’s get this thread back on topic - my dastardly Mossad plan to infiltrate and then post on a low traffic geeky mainly-US message board. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/62 "2009-06-26T21:06:12Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Now go away and let’s get this thread back on topic - my dastardly Mossad plan to infiltrate and then post on a low traffic geeky mainly-US message board. Nobody respects a Mossad Message Board agent. I mean, everyone knows Mossad pays peanuts for this stuff. If you want to get into the real bucks, do what I do - be an evil Big Pharma minion and take payoffs to denigrate alternative medicine online. I get accused of this from time to time on another board, but if they only knew the vast sums I’ve acquired from my Pharma masters…:eek::eek::eek: ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/63 "2009-06-26T21:11:03Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I mean, everyone knows Mossad pays peanuts for this stuff. To be fair, it’s the fringe benefits that really make my henchman career worth while. I mean, _someone_ needs to capture all of those Palestinian infants that I BBQ and serve up to my Zionst coven during the summer months. I’ve tried waiting for some of those tykes to show up on their own, but it never happens. If not for the Mossad shipments of fresh Palesitnan toddlers, I’d be stuck grilling, I dunno, steaks or something. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/64 "2009-06-26T21:25:44Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > To be fair, it’s the fringe benefits that really make my henchman career worth while. I mean, _someone_ needs to capture all of those Palestinian infants that I BBQ and serve up to my Zionst coven during the summer months. I’ve tried waiting for some of those tykes to show up on their own, but it never happens. If not for the Mossad shipments of fresh Palesitnan toddlers, I’d be stuck grilling, I dunno, steaks or something. I only use my toddler corpses to poision wells. I’m old school. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/65 "2009-06-26T21:27:29Z")
Different strokes for different folks, I always say. The important part is that we’re obeying the Zionist directive to consider all Palestinians as sub-human. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/66 "2009-06-26T21:31:04Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Now go away and let’s get this thread back on topic - my dastardly Mossad plan to infiltrate and then post on a low traffic geeky mainly-US message board. A former poster once rather coyly and backhandedly suggested that I was a crypto-Islamist, here it spread disinformation on the “religion of peace.” Now I can neither confirm nor deny receiving bushel-loads of cash from shadowy Albanian Islamist activists to discuss the finer points of the Rashidun Caliphate on the SDMB. But it is interesting that Mossad finds my propag…uh…_factual_ posts alarming enough that they had to resort to dispatching their own counter-intelligence agent. Interesting. Very interesting. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/67 "2009-06-26T21:36:19Z")
I’d like to make a joke, but to be honest, since you’re reading this thread I’d also like to voice my continued utmost admiration for your scholarship and knowledge about Islam and the Middle East. You are a true treasure for this message board and your presence is a benefit to all of us. With that being said, Malthus’ posts about how the Palestinians were really no better than sub-human, equivalent to mere canines as a matter of fact, have filled the Mossad quota-for-evil for this month. We were given a holiday and have been engaging in recreational evil, off the clock. We will resume opposing you starting in July. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/68 "2009-06-26T21:37:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **mswas** , there are dozens of pages of your posts alone in the various gay marriage threads where you do pretty much that, refusing to acknowledge that any of your rationalizations have any foundation other than that. I would add the term “as you know”, but that’s where the self-blinding problem comes into it. Oh man oh man. You are hilarious. 🙂 It doesn’t matter that you were wrong for pages and pages, you still offer it as a cite. You truly are (one of) the village idiot(s). ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/69 "2009-06-26T22:52:08Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > , albeit mainly from the point of view of the young Hagganah operatives - like current Israeli president Shimon Peres - who would comb European and American junkyards for useful matיriel and smuggle it out of the country. As for Mob activity, it’s more of a footnote. All I can say is the Israeli was (probably fake) named Mordechai, and he wore a big fur coat. (which fascinated my dad, who was knee-high at the time.) Hey, remember the story of the AA gun and the Cosmoline? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/70 "2009-06-26T22:57:57Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Which is part of how I know what I know about some bits of Israel’s history. These were the ‘bedtime stories’ I grew up with as a child. Being told the history, first hand, by one of the men who helped create it is something of a benefit 😉 Lucky! All I got was the true story of how the CIA killed Che, and a _lot_ of things that made no sense about Vietnam till decades later. Well… and family history and legend. (Which, as I’ve said, gets weirder and weirder the deeper I look into it.) Mordecai, by the way, is an important man to me. You see, my dad, a nice Irish boy, grew up and fell in love with a Jewish girl. I kind of suspect that the two are connected… not least in getting approval from _his_ father, as well. Which, in yet another tangent reminds me. Anyone got any good ways to track family, on the Jewish side of things? Having issues going back before 1900… everybody who didn’t come here died and the towns sowed with blood and salt. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/71 "2009-06-26T23:19:41Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Lucky! You’re telling me! The man is an absolute freakin’ _demon_, he’s in his late 80’s now and has a handshake like a vice grip, a mind like a young scholar and a thorough knowledge and awareness of regional politics and history. Not to mention any of his other traits. If I was a quarter the man he is, I’d be doing something much cooler than switching career tracks from private to public school teaching while being poor. IIRC, by the time he was my age he’d been jailed by the British, the Syrians, conducted business with the mafia, ran an international smuggling ring and made a large number of high power contacts in the business (and criminal) worlds. I once sat next to Deborah Meier on a plane ride and showed her the curriculum that I’d drawn up for critical thinking lessons. 😃 > [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Mordecai, by the way, is an important man to me. You see, my dad, a nice Irish boy, grew up and fell in love with a Jewish girl. I kind of suspect that the two are connected… not least in getting approval from _his_ father, as well. TBH I’ve seen you mention something of the sort before, but I forget exactly what the details of your family’s history are. Can you clear up my ignorance please? > [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Which, in yet another tangent reminds me. Anyone got any good ways to track family, on the Jewish side of things? Having issues going back before 1900… everybody who didn’t come here died and the towns sowed with blood and salt. It’s probably very, very difficult. We can trace our family back to the late 1100’s (we were evidently book makers and had our own family crest), but not before then. And that’s only because my family on my father’s side managed to survive HaShoah by being among the first wave of Aliyah (and among the first families to Rishon L’Tzion). On my mother’s side, we know that her paternal grandfather and grandmother were born in the Ukraine and, during the Pogroms, their village decided to send all the children to America. In accordance with that, they decided to pair them all up and marry them on the spot. But beyond my maternal grandfather’s grandparents, we have no records since that branch of the family was wiped out by the Nazis. Likewise, my mother’s mother saw the Nazis drag her brother away and, later, her mother hang herself and then served as a nurse during WW II which pretty much shattered her sanity. We don’t know much about that branch of the family, either, other than that they were also wiped out by the Nazis. The best bet, I’d wager, would probably be the Mormon genealogy project. Determining Jewish ancestry for branches of a family tree that stayed in Europe will probably be difficult verging on impossible, though. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/72 "2009-06-27T08:31:00Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Though I have to say you are the real moran! You mispelled metaphors! ;p Metaphore (noun): A metaphor that most people can recognise from a mile away. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/73 "2009-06-27T16:36:02Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Metaphore (noun): A metaphor that most people can recognise from a mile away. What if it’s a false-flag operation? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/74 "2009-06-27T16:54:44Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > TBH I’ve seen you mention something of the sort before, but I forget exactly what the details of your family’s history are. Can you clear up my ignorance please? > The best bet, I’d wager, would probably be the Mormon genealogy project. Determining Jewish ancestry for branches of a family tree that stayed in Europe will probably be difficult verging on impossible, though. Father’s side, direct line, goes back to 1695-1700 in America. (I can claim Mayflower descent, and my father’s mother’s side founded New Salem, and later left down hurriedly before being accused of being witches.) Before that, there’s a… little hiccup involving not being able to find the boat we came over on, because of… issues. (Hail Oliver Cromwell.) Before that, we wind up being Barons, and before that… Well, it gets complicated, but it’s a long story of being somewhere, picking the wrong or right side to support, and then being kicked out of Ireland and heading to Scotland to survive, or the other way round. At some point it becomes completely mythic, as my last name means ‘Son of Ir’, who Ireland is theoretically named after. (Golam, the Spanish Soldier myth.) Going back a little further we wind up in Babel, where my furthest (incredibly mythic) ancestor was cured by Moses when bit by a snake. … what? Seriously, it’s all legit till _about_ 880, and before that… well, it’s mostly unsubstantiated. Mother’s side came over in 1900-1905, if I recall correctly, first rabbi in Mt. Kisco, or some deal like that, (seems improbable, but hey), but Mom really doesn’t feel like cooperating. From Latvia. Last name seems german, so I’m guessing probably the Prussian influx. As far as how they met? There’s a car sport called a ‘hillclimb’. You take your car, and drive it as far up a muddy steep hill as you can. Then it slides back down. They both had yellow Porsche 914s and met at one that way. (Why they had the cars? Dad was a former VW/Porsche mechanic / Air Force fighter jock. Mom was a JAP. Trust me. Perfect model thereof. Dad liked the mid-engined agility, Mom had it bought for her by her doting father.) Any other questions, or is that strange enough? Trust me, I can make it stranger. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/75 "2009-06-27T18:07:21Z")
> [@FinnAgain. about Tamerlane](#): > > I’d like to make a joke, but to be honest, since you’re reading this thread I’d also like to voice my continued utmost admiration for your scholarship and knowledge about Islam and the Middle East. You are a true treasure for this message board and your presence is a benefit to all of us. Hear, hear. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/76 "2009-06-28T01:42:25Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > It’s probably very, very difficult. We can trace our family back to the late 1100’s (we were evidently book makers and had our own family crest), but not before then. And that’s only because my family on my father’s side managed to survive HaShoah by being among the first wave of Aliyah (and among the first families to Rishon L’Tzion). On my mother’s side, we know that her paternal grandfather and grandmother were born in the Ukraine and, during the Pogroms, their village decided to send all the children to America. In accordance with that, they decided to pair them all up and marry them on the spot. But beyond my maternal grandfather’s grandparents, we have no records since that branch of the family was wiped out by the Nazis. Likewise, my mother’s mother saw the Nazis drag her brother away and, later, her mother hang herself and then served as a nurse during WW II which pretty much shattered her sanity. We don’t know much about that branch of the family, either, other than that they were also wiped out by the Nazis. > > The best bet, I’d wager, would probably be the Mormon genealogy project. Determining Jewish ancestry for branches of a family tree that stayed in Europe will probably be difficult verging on impossible, though. Wait – Late _1100_’s??? That’s AWESOME. I think the farthest we can go is on my father’s side to about the 1860s. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/77 "2009-06-28T05:43:08Z")
Malthus: as you took part in the rather fruitless attempt to get Abe to accept that mere words didn’t actually _do_ anything when it came to the time/manner/geography/etc… of the creation of Israel, I figured I’d share a fun little tidbit. Re-reading The Pledge I stumbled across a passage that I’d forgotten. UNSCOP had only recommended Partition in the first place, and many of the smaller nations who voted for 181 only did so after meeting with Zionist leadership who promised them that the Jews of the region would be able to ensure their own defense. Without that promise on the table, UNSCOP never would have recommended Partition in the first place and the nations that authorized it wouldn’t have signed off on 181. Major Aubrey Eban (later to be named Abba Eban) told the Sonneborn Institute that: > [@](#): > > In a candid flow of eloquence, designed to jolt the complacency of any who thought that only a favorable vote at the United Nations stood between present uncertainties and a Jewish state, Eban took the assembled men backstage to the committee hearing and the confidential conferences at Lake Success. Again and again he made the same point: There would be no Jewish state - not even a favorable vote for a Jewish state - unless the Jews of Palestine were in a position to defend it themselves by their own force of arms. > > UNSCOP, the committee of eleven neutral states which had been studying the Palestine situation, had recommended the establishment of a state. But, said Eban "the Swedish president of the committee came to us after the discussion and said ‘However deeply we may be convinced of the justice of your claim, we shall not advocate that claim unless we believe that you yourself can make it good. We will recommend no state which you cannot defend.’ " > > The same situation now prevailed at Lake Success, Eban continued. Both of the great powers, the United States and - quite unexpectedly - the Soviet Union, had declared themselves in favor of a state and it was “quite certain” that a majority of the assembly would support it. But "to put it to you very concretely, there will be several states, whose names I am not mentioning, who say that ‘we will support the proposal for the creation of a Jewish state if we see that we are not called upon as states or as the United Nations to make any physical sacrifices on its behalf.’ " The neutrals and small nations did not want to become involved, he explained. And both of the great powers, the Soviet Union and the United States, were too fearful of seeing the other’s forces in the Middle East to sanction any sort of armed intervention by either. Despite some vague talk of an international volunteer force, careful soundings among the UN delegations had convinced Agency representatives, Eban continued, that “the question of international agreement upon some external force for the maintenance of the order of Palestine is fraught with such dangers that if we make the implementation of this scheme dependent on external support, the whole scheme might fall through for lack of that support.” To ensure support for statehood, the Agency had taken the only alternate position. It had assured the nations of the world that “the Jewish people will provide for the defense of themselves and their frontiers with their own resources.” Only on these conditions could they muster the votes they needed. Eban continued gravely: “We are going to be taken at our word.” > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Wait – Late _1100_’s??? That’s AWESOME. It was helped by the fact that our family members always made sure to legibly sign their names to the attendance list at the annual Tombstone Plot-O-Thon. > [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Any other questions, or is that strange enough? Trust me, I can make it stranger. Thanks, that’s certainly strange enough. 😃 As it is I’m much less knowledgeable about European history than I am about ME history, and the specific importance of a few references went right over my pointy little head. Oh, and don’t take this the wrong way (i’m not aiming to pick a fight since obviously you’re not insulting your own mother) but the word “Jap” is a slur. It’s generally less… shall we say problematic to use a term like “spoiled rich girl” rather than “Jewish American princess.” ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/78 "2009-06-28T07:21:55Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Wait – Late _1100_’s??? That’s AWESOME. I think the farthest we can go is on my father’s side to about the 1860s. 1698 is as far back as I can go. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/79 "2009-06-28T08:06:06Z")
Finn is fine when it comes to discussions on Israel. Finn is a trash-talking guttersnipe when it comes to discussions on Messianic Jewishness. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961/80 "2009-06-28T08:45:10Z")
Awww, still upset that you had the audacity to lie through your teeth about the conmen gentiles who run “Jews for Jesus” and try to pretend that their cult is compatible with Judaism? Upset that I caught you lying in support of those scumfucks who you financially support when you claimed that all they were doing is supporting “biblical” or “cultural” Judaism when, in fact, they had appropriated the modern observance of Jewish High Holy Days and the Bat Mitzvah ceremony to their cause of tricking Jews into becoming Christians? Upset that you are so dishonest and devoted to the absolute annihilation of Judaism that not only do you support those evil bastards, but when I [repeatedly](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10162465&postcount=59) quizzed you on [why you were lying](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10161749&postcount=57) and asked you to retract [your lies,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10158578&postcount=33) you routinely tried to change the subject? Perhaps you’re annoyed that you were forced to come up with outlandish strawmen (“well, you obviously have a problem with intermarriage/conversion!”) because I objected to the deliberate, methodical program of lies and malicious fraud which you materially support and which aims at the total annihilation of Judaism through deception? Yah. How very wrong of _me_ :rolleyes: Best that us Jews don’t get all uppity now, and that we appreciate that you’re kind enough to spend all the time and money designing a program of trickery and malice designed to bring about the end of Judaism itself. Why, how _rude_ it would be of us to object. I’ve already [said all that really needs to be said about your particular brand of repugnant deception](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10553367&postcount=156). There is no such thing as “Messianic Jewishness”, just lying gentiles, like yourself, who try to trick Jews into giving up their religion by claiming that you can be gentile and a Jew at the same time. “Messianic Jews” means “Christians”, idiot. You and yours are contemptible scum whose agenda includes the destruction of my people through lies and fraud. And you have the nerve that, after you show that your goal is the annihilation of Judaism via a program of deliberate and methodical deception, that I am “trash talking” and a “guttersnipe” for objecting? I guess the “good Jews” just politely accept the actions of evil Christians whose goals include lying in order to trick them, _and especially their children when they are most vulnerable and on their own for the first time_, out of Judaism, eh? You are truly _vile._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serdar-argics-cousin-is-a-member-of-the-sdmb/500961.md?page=5)