# Serious massacre prevented on train by 3 US and 1 Brit passengers in Europe **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 21, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473 "2015-08-21T20:27:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/41 "2015-08-24T04:21:51Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Would it be in order to have the thread title modified to reflect the actual situation, as in, two American servicemen, their friend, and a Brit civilian? I’ve always been partial to simple who-what-where headlines. _American tourists - stop a terrorist massacre - in a French train._ There were a couple more passengers, Briton Chris Norman and an unnamed French national who deserve a mention, of course, but you can’t put everything in a title. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/42 "2015-08-24T04:23:33Z")
That is quite an honor. I wonder what medal the US or other countries would have? I’m glad it was soldiers who have training in taking a person down. Quite frankly if I was in a similar situation I would be reluctant to use full force or even have the knowledge to take a person down so you’d almost hear bones breaking but that’s the level of force you would need to have because you cannot let a person like this back up. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/43 "2015-08-24T14:57:27Z")
Now the muslim victim is saying that he wasn’t going to kill anyone-he was just going to rob people.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/44 "2015-08-24T15:23:05Z")
Stop being a jackass **ralph**. ---
**Author:** ![Grestarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grestarian/32/3227_2.png) [@Grestarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grestarian)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/45 "2015-08-24T20:11:02Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Sounds like those guys are going to have a truly _awesome_ remainder of their vacation in France. Gotta expect they’ll get VIP treatment/access everywhere they go! International TV Reporter: So, guys, what are you going to do next? College Student: Oh, we’ve got free passes – er… _Nous allons à Disneyland_\* Paris! \*😃 –G! They should have free passes to anything they want! ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/46 "2015-08-24T20:34:19Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Now the muslim victim is saying that he wasn’t going to kill anyone-he was just going to rob people.😃 We get it. He’s a muslim. If you have more to say about his religion take it to the Pit. > [@Grey](#): > > Stop being a jackass **ralph**. Stop being a junior mod and/or insulting people in MPSIMS. No warning issued. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/47 "2015-08-24T20:44:47Z")
I edited the thread title. Marines get too much credit as it is. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/48 "2015-08-24T20:53:00Z")
> [@](#): > > And the three of us beat him until he was unconscious. Good. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/49 "2015-08-24T20:57:44Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I edited the thread title. Marines get too much credit as it is. 😃 Yeah. Let the other branches have their day in the sun. Not need to suggest any further changes, as those 4 people were the ones who did subdue the terrorist and trend to the wounded, but it does seem like a Frenchman and an American-French citizen were [the first to attempt to intervene](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/american-professor-mark-moogalian-rushed-train-gunman-was-shot-n414786). > [@](#): > > Isabelle Moogalian, who was also aboard the train, said her husband spotted the gunman “being grabbed from behind by a different person” — thought to be a 29-year-old French banker who has chosen to stay anonymous. > > Mark Moogalian told his wife to “go” and then “rushed towards the gunman to remove … the Kalashnikov.” > > She added: "I did not see my husband get shot, it happened too quickly and I was pretty much hiding behind seats. But I look at my husband through the seats at an angle and he looked straight at me and said, ‘I’m hit!’ … So quite a good assortment of people doing what needed to be done, including two who had the skills and training to be effective during the incident and in the aftermath. Seems the new mentality as to what to do in such a situation IS spreading and taking root. (One of the service members did mention that it helped that the guy did not seem very skilled in weapons handling and they were able to take advantage of that.) ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/50 "2018-02-06T08:17:10Z")
Updating this thread there is going to be a movie starring the actual heroes directed by Clint Eastwood about this attack: > **[The friends who foiled a gunman - and are now playing themselves in a Clint...](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/feb/06/lives-prepared-train-attack-friends-heroes-hollywood-stars)** > > Two years ago, on a French train, three young Americans took down a man who was armed with an AK-47 and 300 rounds of ammunition. Now, they’re film stars. Where will their extraordinary lives go next? ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/51 "2018-02-06T19:04:07Z")
I wonder how they’re going to make a full feature film about such a brief incident. But I guess if they managed to make one about Sully Sullenberger’s landing on the Hudson, they can do anything. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/52 "2018-02-06T20:17:15Z")
Well, in the case of the “Sully” movie, they simply made up a fictional story about how the FAA was out to get him. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/53 "2018-02-06T22:26:03Z")
Yeah, in reality the FAA board literally–literally literally–gave Sully a standing ovation after his pro-forma hearing. That is, they all actually got to their feet and applauded him. So yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/54 "2018-02-08T09:04:01Z")
Nobody is going to make such a movie: it’s already made and about to hit theaters. And movies have been made about things which took less time to tell before. Rashomon was… how many retellings of the exact same incident? ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/55 "2018-02-08T09:29:35Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Nobody is going to make such a movie: it’s already made and about to hit theaters. > And movies have been made about things which took less time to tell before. Rashomon was… how many retellings of the exact same incident? Four. The bandit, the wife, the ghost of the dead samurai, and the woodsman who saw it all unfold from his hiding place. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/56 "2018-02-08T14:16:53Z")
The trailers make it apparent that much of the film will be the backgrounds of the men who stopped the terrorist. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/57 "2018-02-08T20:08:46Z")
> [@JoseB](#): > > Four. The bandit, the wife, the ghost of the dead samurai, and the woodsman who saw it all unfold from his hiding place. That’s not the movie I remember. ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2018, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/58 "2018-02-09T06:23:40Z")
The Wikipedia page on the film ([Rashomon - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon)) gives the stories as I mentioned: the bandit’s story, the wife’s story, the samurai’s story, and the woodcutter’s story. They are told within a framing story that involves a commoner, a priest and the woodcutter. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2018, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/59 "2018-02-09T06:53:13Z")
**JoseB** , you’ve been wooshed 🙂 (For those who aren’t familiar with it: “that’s not what I remember” is what Rashomon is about). ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473/60 "2018-02-14T03:14:15Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Well, in the case of the “Sully” movie, they simply made up a fictional story about how the FAA was out to get him. It was almost insulting how that story about the FAA was added. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence should have been able to tell that it had to be entirely concocted by the writers since professional aviation experts would have already known all of the things that Sully corrects the investigators about. At least in Argo, the made-up conflicts and tense moments were remotely plausible to someone who didn’t know what actually happened (even if in retrospect they seem too good for the story’s drama to have been what actually happened). But the FAA were portrayed as absolute idiots. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/serious-massacre-prevented-on-train-by-3-us-and-1-brit-passengers-in-europe/728473.md?page=4)