# Seriously, Annie-Xmas, shut up about adoption and serial killers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652 "2011-05-12T14:42:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/21 "2011-05-12T16:33:01Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > Yeah, it’s too bad for you all that it’s so hard to tell the adopted ones just by looking… I dunno about that. My ex and I are lily-whitey white white. Both of my kids are South Korean-born adoptees. You see me walking through the mall with The Fem-Bot™ clutching my pony tail as she sits in the Gerry backpack on my back, you figure it’s an adopted kid. Not really so hard at all. I pity your misguided view. ---
**Author:** ![redtail23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3e96dc/32.png) [@redtail23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/redtail23)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/22 "2011-05-12T16:36:10Z")
I’m gonna have to agree with this pitting. While I defended **Annie** ’s original premise in the other thread (i.e., that adoption is NOT an abortion panacea), I was unaware of her … quirks … on this issue. Really?!!? You’re positing that adoption is problematic because it creates serial killers? ?!!??REALLY??!!??? That’s just totally stupid. And correlation \<\> causation. Learn the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/23 "2011-05-12T16:40:31Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > I dunno about that. My ex and I are lily-whitey white white. Both of my kids are South Korean-born adoptees. > > You see me walking through the mall with The Fem-Bot™ clutching my pony tail as she sits in the Gerry backpack on my back, you figure it’s an adopted kid. > > Not really so hard at all. > > I pity your misguided view. Ha ha, well, sound like they’re not old enough to be serial killers just yet. When they’re grown up, and in the mall by themselves, no one will suspect a thing. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/24 "2011-05-12T16:49:29Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > Yeah, it’s too bad for you all that it’s so hard to tell the adopted ones just by looking… Most adoptees look something like [this](http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/judgeshredd/evil_clown.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/25 "2011-05-12T16:49:40Z")
> [@redtail23](#): > > I’m gonna have to agree with this pitting. > > While I defended **Annie** ’s original premise in the other thread (i.e., that adoption is NOT an abortion panacea), I was unaware of her … quirks … on this issue. > > Really?!!? You’re positing that adoption is problematic because it creates serial killers? ?!!??REALLY??!!??? > > That’s just totally stupid. > > And correlation \<\> causation. Learn the difference. But can you deny that nobody who was aborted ever went on to become a serial killer? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/26 "2011-05-12T16:50:04Z")
> [@MissTake](#): > > I will agree that every adopted person I have known has had a period… Even the males?? Well, _that_ could certainly explain things… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/27 "2011-05-12T16:52:16Z")
Well, if \*\*Sarahfeena \*\*Pits you, that’s pretty telling. When I saw the name in the thread title, I thought for sure it was about some extreme pro-choice argument like: If you outlaw abortions, every miscarriage will be treated like a potential homicide. That red herring has been trotted out a number of times. ---
**Author:** ![Lorski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lorski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorski)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/28 "2011-05-12T16:53:23Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > That’s what they **want** you to think. Lulling you into a false sense of security. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/29 "2011-05-12T17:02:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Well, if \*\*Sarahfeena \*\*Pits you, that’s pretty telling. When I saw the name in the thread title, I thought for sure it was about some extreme pro-choice argument like: If you outlaw abortions, every miscarriage will be treated like a potential homicide. That red herring has been trotted out a number of times. I didn’t read all the quotes. It was an issue of some extreme pro-choice argument. Well, let’s look at it this way: If abortion is outlawed, there will be more people (probably). The more people there are, the more serial killers there will be. Bingo! (Of course, the more people there are, the more Einsteins there will be, too, but let’s just focus on the serial killers.) ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/30 "2011-05-12T17:04:49Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Even the males?? > > Well, _that_ could certainly explain things… Being adopted has effed up my ability to select proper word usage, sorry. It’s difficult, you know, to decide what word to use when I’m compiling my list of people to murder. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/31 "2011-05-12T17:04:55Z")
Wow…I missed the original threads. I thought I had heard of most crackpot stories floating out there but I can honestly say I have never, ever heard someone make a connection between adoption and being a serial killer. Makes the Moon Landing Hoax seem downright sensible in comparison. (FTR/FWIW I am adopted as are my brother and sister…no serial killers to be found here.) ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/32 "2011-05-12T17:06:48Z")
> [@Lorski](#): > > Just saw this. Love it. Do you also have the upraised, gleaming butcher knife? > > Muwahahahahaa… No, I just like making people worry that I have a butcher knife. It’s scarier. ---
**Author:** ![redtail23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3e96dc/32.png) [@redtail23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/redtail23)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/33 "2011-05-12T17:07:03Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But can you deny that nobody who was aborted ever went on to become a serial killer? Well, damn, you’re right. I didn’t think of that. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/34 "2011-05-12T17:08:31Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > (FTR/FWIW I am adopted as are my brother and sister…no serial killers to be found here.) Sure, like you’d tell us…😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/35 "2011-05-12T17:11:06Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I didn’t read all the quotes. It was an issue of some extreme pro-choice argument. > > Well, let’s look at it this way: If abortion is outlawed, there will be more people (probably). The more people there are, the more serial killers there will be. Bingo! (Of course, the more people there are, the more Einsteins there will be, too, but let’s just focus on the serial killers.) Yeah, it was, which was why I said that she was hurting her own argument. But, you know, I don’t even care about the pro-choice aspect of it. I’m pragmatically pro-choice in a political sense, and pro-life morally/ethically, and the discussions here are so polarizing, I don’t get involved in them anymore. However, this point **Annie** makes over and over and over is the most stupid pro-choice/anti-adoption argument I have ever heard, so in that sense I’m trying to help her argue her “side” of the issue. I just am so frickin’ sick of seeing the same unsubstantiated claim. And it makes me even more annoyed when so many people show her why it’s a false claim, she ignores them, and then goes on to reiterate it a few months later. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/36 "2011-05-12T17:11:11Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Well, if \*\*Sarahfeena \*\*Pits you, that’s pretty telling. When I saw the name in the thread title, I thought for sure it was about some extreme pro-choice argument like: If you outlaw abortions, every miscarriage will be treated like a potential homicide. That red herring has been trotted out a number of times. \*\* cough \*\* From [Fox news](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/26/georgia-lawmakers-anti-abortion-proposal-punish-women-miscarriages/), of all the liberal, left-wing, pro-choice sources available: "A Georgia state representative has reintroduced an anti-abortion bill that would make miscarriages a felony if the mother cannot prove there was no "human involvement… Anyone convicted would face the death penalty or life behind bars… Franklin has introduced the bill each session since 2002 … " [Bill text here](http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en-US/display.aspx?Legislation=31965). It ain’t a red herring if the people in power keep trying to legislate it. (Setting aside that whole “can’t prove a negative” of course.) ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/37 "2011-05-12T17:14:30Z")
Seriously Sarahfeena, you’ve got some abandonment issues when any criticism of adoption upsets you. I suppose someone who grew up always knowing that to the people who cared for them, they were always a second-best compromise always has those feelings. The correlation between serial killers and adoption is established. Actual research into why this correlation occurs is always shouted down by the adoption industry and their supporters who can’t stand to have their lucrative social experiment actually examined. ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/38 "2011-05-12T17:19:26Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Seriously Sarahfeena, you’ve got some abandonment issues when any criticism of adoption upsets you. I suppose someone who grew up always knowing that to the people who cared for them, they were always a second-best compromise always has those feelings. The correlation between serial killers and adoption is established. Actual research into why this correlation occurs is always shouted down by the adoption industry and their supporters who can’t stand to have their lucrative social experiment actually examined. Really? It’s been made pretty clear in my family that I, the adopted bastard, is more favored than my sister, the natural born. I have _NEVER_ felt that I needed to do anything to gain their acceptance, their approval. I have _NEVER_ felt that I was a second-best compromise. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/39 "2011-05-12T17:23:34Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > CORRELATION is when two events happen in proximity to each other, but neither causes the other, rather they are both caused by outside factors. > > CAUSATION is when one factor CAUSES the other factor, or outcome. Actually, it’s my understanding that while correlation does not demonstrate causation, it also does not demonstrate a _lack_ of causation. If the two events occur in proximity to each other, either (or both) _may_ be influencing the other, but you can’t assume that without valid evidence. The “adoption leads to serial killers” thing is, of course, silly. However I am not about to buy a home from a guy who dresses up as a clown, without first having someone search the crawl spaces. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/40 "2011-05-12T17:26:22Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Seriously Sarahfeena, you’ve got some abandonment issues when any criticism of adoption upsets you. You’ve got some issues, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652.md?page=3)