# Seriously, Annie-Xmas, shut up about adoption and serial killers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652 "2011-05-12T14:42:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Lorski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lorski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorski)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/121 "2011-05-13T13:33:42Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > It’s my understanding that, in the U.S., the reason children are adopted is because _their parents have no interest in caring for them and want them to be raised by strangers_. And also that parents are intensely screened so they weed out people who would want kids for weird narcissistic deluded reasons (whatever the fuck that would mean). But yeah, maybe I’m ill-informed about the adopted children that were kidnapped from their birth parents and sold as playthings for the idle rich. Or maybe I’m just not a fucking nutjob. This +1,000,000,000,000,000 ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/122 "2011-05-13T13:40:47Z")
OK ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/123 "2011-05-13T13:51:58Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > OK I’ve been refreshing this page every 10 minutes for 24 hours to see your response, and this is what I get? This is a bigger let down than Jaws 2. ---
**Author:** ![elninost0rm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ed655f/32.png) [@elninost0rm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elninost0rm)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/124 "2011-05-13T13:52:56Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > OK Chortled. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/125 "2011-05-13T13:58:19Z")
Well, Sarahfeena really knows how to regulate. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/126 "2011-05-13T14:52:52Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Well, Sarahfeena really knows how to regulate. No shit. Can she get some other posters in line, please? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/127 "2011-05-13T16:05:06Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > No shit. Can she get some other posters in line, please? > > 🙂 Holy cow, if only I’d known I had this power years ago! **Annie** , thank you. I’m sorry I said you were dumb, I was just all worked up when I wrote my OP. Mods, you can close this thread if you want, my work here is done. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/128 "2011-05-13T17:36:22Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Wait, you’re kidding. Dare I believe that there is a thread on this somewhere? There’s several threads. Several individuals here have a problem with women wanting to control what happens to her own body. The actual message which I stand by is that forcing a woman to shake a man’s hand is not that different from rape. It’s about forced body contact. Both cases should be considered repugnant. And anyone that can’t understand why I would view a man who has a fit over a woman not wanting to touch him is more likely to have the entitlement issues that lead to rapist mentality, really isn’t too bright. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/129 "2011-05-13T17:39:54Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > Mods, you can close this thread if you want, my work here is done. 🙂 Or retitle it… ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/130 "2011-05-13T17:42:42Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > It’s my understanding that, in the U.S., the reason children are adopted is because _their parents have no interest in caring for them and want them to be raised by strangers_. And also that parents are intensely screened so they weed out people who would want kids for weird narcissistic deluded reasons (whatever the fuck that would mean). But yeah, maybe I’m ill-informed about the adopted children that were kidnapped from their birth parents and sold as playthings for the idle rich. Or maybe I’m just not a fucking nutjob. Yes, you are very ill-informed about the adoption industry. It’s not about finding homes for children. It’s about finding babies for infertiles. There is nothing more narcissisitically deluded than telling the world a child is your offspring when it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/131 "2011-05-13T17:56:02Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > It’s my understanding that, in the U.S., the reason children are adopted is because _their parents have no interest in caring for them and want them to be raised by strangers_. And also that parents are intensely screened so they weed out people who would want kids for weird narcissistic deluded reasons (whatever the fuck that would mean). But yeah, maybe I’m ill-informed about the adopted children that were kidnapped from their birth parents and sold as playthings for the idle rich. Or maybe I’m just not a fucking nutjob. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Yes, you are very ill-informed about the adoption industry. It’s not about finding homes for children. It’s about finding babies for infertiles. There is nothing more narcissisitically deluded than telling the world a child is your offspring when it isn’t. This is the pit, right? ZPGZ, you are a mentally-deficient idiot. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/132 "2011-05-13T17:56:44Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > There is nothing more narcissisitically deluded than telling the world a child is your offspring when it isn’t. What about thinking that using your own archaic and anti-feminist worldview to judge people as potential rapists by applying those views to a cultural behavior where it is completely inapplicable is a smart idea? What about thinking it is morally acceptable to pretend to have magical powers so that people give you money under the the ridiculous guise that you are actually helping them? ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/133 "2011-05-13T18:18:26Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Yes, you are very ill-informed about the adoption industry. It’s not about finding homes for children. It’s about finding babies for infertiles. There is nothing more narcissisitically deluded than telling the world a child is your offspring when it isn’t. You really are a freakin’ moron. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/134 "2011-05-13T18:41:12Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > Holy cow, if only I’d known I had this power years ago! > > **Annie** , thank you. I’m sorry I said you were dumb, I was just all worked up when I wrote my OP. And you’re _still nice_. In the Pit, even! ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/135 "2011-05-13T18:45:09Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > There’s several threads. Several individuals here have a problem with women wanting to control what happens to her own body. The actual message which I stand by is that forcing a woman to shake a man’s hand is not that different from rape. It’s about forced body contact. Both cases should be considered repugnant. And anyone that can’t understand why I would view a man who has a fit over a woman not wanting to touch him is more likely to have the entitlement issues that lead to rapist mentality, really isn’t too bright. I think you should keep posting about this. Don’t let the man get you down. You don’t sound even remotely crazy. Please keep posting. ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/136 "2011-05-13T20:30:27Z")
> [@MissTake](#): > > You really are a freakin’ moron. You spelled _obnoxious fucking douchebag_ wrong. Probably busy [del]plotting another murder[/del] multitasking, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/137 "2011-05-14T00:21:24Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > The girl’s father threatened to do just that when he found out his little angel was my nephew’s little sexbuddy. Really? I don’t recall that detail – all I remember is you claiming you were going to do just that before they did so. And that was because he was dating a “WASP”. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/138 "2011-05-14T00:24:48Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > There’s several threads. Several individuals here have a problem with women wanting to control what happens to her own body. The actual message which I stand by is that forcing a woman to shake a man’s hand is not that different from rape. It’s about forced body contact. Both cases should be considered repugnant. And anyone that can’t understand why I would view a man who has a fit over a woman not wanting to touch him is more likely to have the entitlement issues that lead to rapist mentality, really isn’t too bright. In general, no-one forces a woman to shake their hand. A man who is going to force a woman to do something sexual, is not going to be shaking their hand. You are deluded about something, probably many things, but this is one that’s easy to deal with. A handshake is about the least threatening thing one can do to someone. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/139 "2011-05-14T00:31:20Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > In general, no-one forces a woman to shake their hand. A man who is going to force a woman to do something sexual, is not going to be shaking their hand. You are deluded about something, probably many things, but this is one that’s easy to deal with. A handshake is about the least threatening thing one can do to someone. That’s what kills me. Someone suggested she simply say, “I’m sorry, my culture doesn’t allow me to shake hands with the opposite sex”, or something like that. But no, because it’s STILL the guy’s fault for not assuming that as the default. ---
**Author:** ![scratch\_llll](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@scratch\_llll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scratch_llll)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/140 "2011-05-14T02:35:18Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > It’s not about finding homes for children. It’s about finding babies for infertiles. There is nothing more narcissisitically deluded than telling the world a child is your offspring when it isn’t. Why can’t it be finding babies for people who have love to give and homes for children who need that love? When you love a child it IS yours and there is nothing narcissistic about it. When you have raised a child, bottle fed them in the bleary eyed wee hours, seen them take thier first steps, read to them, taught them, taken them fishing, shared the joy of Christmas morn, taken them to the zoo, seen the wonder in thier eyes over the bounty of the world, flinched in the passenger seat as they learned to drive, sent them off on thier first date, watched them graduate, had to let them go out on thier own as you worried and hoped they would call, felt the joy of thier finding one worthy of love enough to marry, teared up when you see the love they have for thier own children, then what in hell is deluded about not giving a damn if they are biological offspring? They are yours and you are thiers in all the ways that count. Believing the way you do I advise you never to have children of any sort. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652.md?page=8)