# Seriously, Annie-Xmas, shut up about adoption and serial killers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 12, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652 "2011-05-12T14:42:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/141 "2011-05-14T02:48:25Z")
> [@scratch\_llll](#): > > Why can’t it be finding babies for people who have love to give and homes for children who need that love? When you love a child it IS yours and there is nothing narcissistic about it. When you have raised a child, bottle fed them in the bleary eyed wee hours, seen them take thier first steps, read to them, taught them, taken them fishing, shared the joy of Christmas morn, taken them to the zoo, seen the wonder in thier eyes over the bounty of the world, flinched in the passenger seat as they learned to drive, sent them off on thier first date, watched them graduate, had to let them go out on thier own as you worried and hoped they would call, felt the joy of thier finding one worthy of love enough to marry, teared up when you see the love they have for thier own children, then what in hell is deluded about not giving a damn if they are biological offspring? They are yours and you are thiers in all the ways that count. > > Believing the way you do I advise you never to have children of any sort. She believes sperm and egg donor is everything. Anything else is just being “guardian”. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/142 "2011-05-14T03:00:18Z")
> [@scratch\_llll](#): > > Why can’t it be finding babies for people who have love to give and homes for children who need that love? When you love a child it IS yours and there is nothing narcissistic about it. When you have raised a child, bottle fed them in the bleary eyed wee hours, seen them take thier first steps, read to them, taught them, taken them fishing, shared the joy of Christmas morn, taken them to the zoo, seen the wonder in thier eyes over the bounty of the world, flinched in the passenger seat as they learned to drive, sent them off on thier first date, watched them graduate, had to let them go out on thier own as you worried and hoped they would call, felt the joy of thier finding one worthy of love enough to marry, teared up when you see the love they have for thier own children, then what in hell is deluded about not giving a damn if they are biological offspring? They are yours and you are thiers in all the ways that count. > > Believing the way you do I advise you never to have children of any sort. Taking children away from their families and giving them to someone who is richer and more powerful is wrong. Conning women into risking their lives to give birth to children they don’t want so predatory adoption lawyers can create “abandoned” babies is despicable. Personally, I think waisting all the time and effort you have described above into the raising of a child is a recipe for creating a spoiled little sociopath. Discipline, not coddling molds children into worthwhile adults. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/143 "2011-05-14T03:01:32Z")
Yeah, no Christmas morn for you! Suck it up, white boy! ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/144 "2011-05-14T03:01:55Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Taking children away from their families and giving them to someone who is richer and more powerful is wrong. Conning women into risking their lives to give birth to children they don’t want so predatory adoption lawyers can create “abandoned” babies is despicable. Personally, I think waisting all the time and effort you have described above into the raising of a child is a recipe for creating a spoiled little sociopath. Discipline, not coddling molds children into worthwhile adults. Which part is coddling? The watching them on Christmas morning or taking them fishing? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/145 "2011-05-14T03:06:54Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Taking children away from their families and giving them to someone who is richer and more powerful is wrong. Conning women into risking their lives to give birth to children they don’t want so predatory adoption lawyers can create “abandoned” babies is despicable. Personally, I think waisting all the time and effort you have described above into the raising of a child is a recipe for creating a spoiled little sociopath. Discipline, not coddling molds children into worthwhile adults. You’re diseased. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/146 "2011-05-14T03:13:20Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > What about thinking that using your own archaic and anti-feminist worldview to judge people as potential rapists by applying those views to a cultural behavior where it is completely inapplicable is a smart idea? > > What about thinking it is morally acceptable to pretend to have magical powers so that people give you money under the the ridiculous guise that you are actually helping them? I am a feminist considerably more so then the woman who sell out other woman for male approval by insisting that men cannot be expected to understand basic etiquette. Apparently, the greatest crime to these women is anything that inconveniences a man. You don’t like fortune-telling. So what? I don’t like the fact that churches don’t pay taxes on their tithes and offerings and they rake in a million times more money than all the fortune-tellers on earth. No one compels my clients to see me. I give them good advice which most of them quite frankly need. Whether that advice comes completely from my mind or something else who knows? If higher powers exist would they bother telling us? We have no way of determining this, which is exactly what I tell my clients. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/147 "2011-05-14T03:13:56Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > anyone that can’t understand why I would view a man who has a fit over a woman not wanting to touch him is more likely to have the entitlement issues that lead to rapist mentality, really isn’t too bright. You were the one having a fit. You could just say ‘no thank you, my religion doesn’t permit shaking hands’, and 99.9% of the men in the world would drop smile, probably apologize, and move on to the next person. I seriously can’t imagine any of these guys kept shoving their hand into your face after you politely refused to shake. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Personally, I think waisting all the time and effort you have described above into the raising of a child is a recipe for creating a spoiled little sociopath. Discipline, not coddling molds children into worthwhile adults. It’s a waste\* of time to spend time with your kids? Christ, my parents disciplined me plenty, but they still enjoyed my company. - sorry, a ‘waist’ of time. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/148 "2011-05-14T03:56:24Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > You were the one having a fit. You could just say ‘no thank you, my religion doesn’t permit shaking hands’, and 99.9% of the men in the world would drop smile, probably apologize, and move on to the next person. Where that the case I would not find the practice so objectionable. My experience has almost uniformily been jerks acting like spoiled toddlers because they don’t get to touch a woman which leads me to think there is a lot more to the behavior than an attempt at greeting. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/149 "2011-05-14T04:04:20Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > My experience has almost uniformily been jerks acting like spoiled toddlers because they don’t get to touch a woman which leads me to think there is a lot more to the behavior than an attempt at greeting. Yes, because so many men go through their day just salivating over the idea of the hot, hot touch of a woman’s palm. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/150 "2011-05-14T04:07:25Z")
Just a head’s up, but **Sarahfeena** has opened a new pit thread for **ZPG Zealot** over [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=608479). That’s just a notification, not an instruction. Poster are, of course, welcome to continue to abuse her in this thread as well. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/151 "2011-05-14T05:26:22Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I am a feminist considerably more so then the woman who sell out other woman for male approval by insisting that men cannot be expected to understand basic etiquette. For most people, offering a hand to shake IS basic etiquette. Most people understand that just fine. _Most_ people, anyway. I’m not sure why I’m bothering though. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/152 "2011-05-14T05:31:13Z")
So if a man gets a handjob from a woman, is that like super rape? ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/153 "2011-05-14T05:35:03Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > So if a man gets a handjob from a woman, is that like super rape? Only if he just walked up to her and thrust his dick into her hand. But if she willingly put her hands on his dick, well that’s just SLATTERNLY and SHE SHOULD BE STONED. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/154 "2011-05-14T06:11:26Z")
> [@Sierra\_Indigo](#): > > SLATTERNLY I had to look this up. Great word. I’ll be using it as often as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Suil\_Dubh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Suil\_Dubh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suil_Dubh)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/155 "2011-05-14T09:03:11Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > I had to look this up. Great word. I’ll be using it as often as possible. The first edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons “Dungeon Master’s Guide” had a “random prostitute encounter table” for city adventures. I first saw this when I was around 12-years old or so. It didn’t have the word “slattern”, but it had a bunch of equally obscure terms. I had a pretty sexy vocabulary for a 12-year old thanks to this. > **[Random harlot generation table in AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide](http://zdrake.blogspot.com/2007/08/random-harlot-generation-table-in-ad.html)** > > GenCon Indy approaches, and so I'm not posting much. I hear D&D co-creator Gary Gygax will be at the convention this year. If I run into hi... ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/156 "2011-05-14T09:10:12Z")
Ah D&D, corrupting our children for decades 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/157 "2011-05-14T10:33:34Z")
I think I hit puberty by looking at the pictures in the 1st Edition _Legends and Lore_. ---
**Author:** ![Suil\_Dubh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Suil\_Dubh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suil_Dubh)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/158 "2011-05-14T11:39:33Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I think I hit puberty by looking at the pictures in the 1st Edition _Legends and Lore_. _cough cough_ Blibdoolpoolp _cough cough cough_ ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/159 "2011-05-14T11:41:59Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Whether that advice comes completely from my mind or something else who knows? You do. And then you lie about it to make money off desperate people. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652/160 "2011-05-14T11:58:59Z")
> [@Suil\_Dubh](#): > > _cough cough_ Blibdoolpoolp _cough cough cough_ I was thinking more in terms of [Aphrodite](http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/2/24/85193_sm-Copyright%20Tsr,%20Deities%20And%20Demigods,%20Dungeons%20And%20Dragons,%20Retro%20Review.jpg), but hey, whatever floats your boat. Blib did have a nice rack. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-annie-xmas-shut-up-about-adoption-and-serial-killers/581652.md?page=9)