# Seriously? The jrodefeld and aigonz retardothon. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 5, 2010, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721 "2010-09-05T23:13:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/21 "2010-09-06T05:11:59Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Every once in a while, I click the “last page” link on that thread and read what’s there. That’s enough for me. Pay Attention! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/22 "2010-09-06T05:52:14Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > > [@Chimera](#): > > > > The saying should be; > > > > “That which does not kill me makes me suffer”. > > > > 😃 > > [“That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.”](http://www.despair.com/adversity.html) “That which does not kill me has made a tactical error.” ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/23 "2010-09-06T07:06:12Z")
I pretty much gave up after he gave a homeopath as an anti-vax source, though it does prove that there are people dumber than Jenny. And I love that the Depression seems to have lasted so long because of FDR’s damn Keynesian economics in 1929. But I think Jro should be pronounced the way Scooby-Doo would pronounce it, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/24 "2010-09-06T10:53:07Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Pay Attention! I’m _trying_, man, but the spider that lives just inside my front door has been missing for a couple days, and I can’t concentrate for the worry. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/25 "2010-09-06T12:43:01Z")
Oh boy, now he is trying the ‘why do you hate medical freedom?’ gambit. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/26 "2010-09-06T12:44:47Z")
“That which does not kill me only makes me sleep until 3:30 the next afternoon” –Jim Carroll ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/27 "2010-09-06T13:04:11Z")
Going for the obvious - “That which does not kill me, only makes me . . . _stranger_.” ---
**Author:** ![campp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@campp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/campp)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/28 "2010-09-06T13:24:24Z")
Good thing my mouse has a scroll wheel. My finger is about worn out though. The one that said vaccines can result in diseases made me spit coffee onto the keyboard. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/29 "2010-09-06T14:12:53Z")
> [@campp](#): > > Good thing my mouse has a scroll wheel. My finger is about worn out though. > > The one that said vaccines can result in diseases made me spit coffee onto the keyboard. I wonder if he thinks showers result in BO? Could explain what’s rubbing off on his posts. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/30 "2010-09-06T15:12:47Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > I can honestly say that his knowledge of economics is equal to his knowledge of medicine. > > > [@](#): > > > > Don’t you understand that people’s immune systems become stronger through fighting illness and disease? > > I used to think only Jenny McCarthy was enough of a dumbfuck to say shit like this. Good god, that anti-vax/homeopathy stuff was painful. At least opinions like that provide a warning “Caution: I am an idiot! Ignore what I have to say!” ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/31 "2010-09-06T15:34:45Z")
Didn’t reach the anti vax. Made it as far as defense of ignorant, illiterate, racists Tea Partiers, as ‘no harm, no foul’, as long as they swell the ranks of my political agenda, I can overlook that. Seriously, people show you who they really are, all the time, all you have to do is keep your eyes open. This shows me everything I need to know about you and what sort of political tradeoffs you’d be willing to make for expediency, and it makes my skin crawl, _shiver_. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/32 "2010-09-06T15:42:05Z")
“If it doesn’t kill you it will make you stronger, but if it kills you you’ll be dead.” - Jonathan Coulton ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/33 "2010-09-06T15:46:48Z")
That which does not kill me is about to wish it did. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/34 "2010-09-06T15:48:20Z")
That which does not kill me probably wasn’t treated with Homeopathy. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/35 "2010-09-06T16:31:33Z")
That which didn’t kill me was probably because my mommy had me vaccinated. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/36 "2010-09-06T17:18:34Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > I can honestly say that his knowledge of economics is equal to his knowledge of medicine. > > > [@](#): > > > > Don’t you understand that people’s immune systems become stronger through fighting illness and disease? > > I used to think only Jenny McCarthy was enough of a dumbfuck to say shit like this. I don’t see what’s so bad about that. He’s just saying your body builds up resistance to some diseases after having those disease. Does it not? ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/37 "2010-09-06T17:24:14Z")
That which does not kill me _does_ hurt like hell. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/38 "2010-09-06T17:27:36Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > > [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > > > I can honestly say that his knowledge of economics is equal to his knowledge of medicine. > > > > I used to think only Jenny McCarthy was enough of a dumbfuck to say shit like this. > > I don’t see what’s so bad about that. He’s just saying your body builds up resistance to some diseases after having those disease. Does it not? Well, if I understand the immune system well (and I don’t), it builds up resistance to specific entities after having encountered those entities and “determining” that they’re “hostile”. The symptoms of the disease caused by the entities have nothing to do with strengthening the immune system, although they may well weaken it indirectly. That mechanism of strengthening the immune system is exactly the mechanism that vaccines exploit: they let your immune system encounter the entity without making you suffer the symptoms of the disease. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/39 "2010-09-06T17:58:45Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Well, if I understand the immune system well (and I don’t), it builds up resistance to specific entities after having encountered those entities and “determining” that they’re “hostile”. The symptoms of the disease caused by the entities have nothing to do with strengthening the immune system, although they may well weaken it indirectly. That mechanism of strengthening the immune system is exactly the mechanism that vaccines exploit: they let your immune system encounter the entity without making you suffer the symptoms of the disease. He didn’t say anything about symptoms, and unless you’re picking the smallest of nits, I don’t see much daylight between “fighting illness” and “encountering those entities”. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/40 "2010-09-06T18:13:04Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > > > Well, if I understand the immune system well (and I don’t), it builds up resistance to specific entities after having encountered those entities and “determining” that they’re “hostile”. The symptoms of the disease caused by the entities have nothing to do with strengthening the immune system, although they may well weaken it indirectly. That mechanism of strengthening the immune system is exactly the mechanism that vaccines exploit: they let your immune system encounter the entity without making you suffer the symptoms of the disease. > > He didn’t say anything about symptoms, and unless you’re picking the smallest of nits, I don’t see much daylight between “fighting illness” and “encountering those entities”. I think what you’re not getting is he’s (Jro) arguing against vaccinations by saying that we should get sick more. Except vaccinations protect against things that kill you. So wanting people to get more smallpox so they’re immune to it is pretty silly. He seems to believe that getting sick generally provides an overall level of resistance to diseases you haven’t had. Like the immune system is a muscle and it just needs some exercise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721.md?page=3)