# Seriously? The jrodefeld and aigonz retardothon. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 5, 2010, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721 "2010-09-05T23:13:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/61 "2010-09-07T00:16:12Z")
BTW, for the hard of thinking here is the context, just from the post in question: > [@](#): > > I know about herd immunity and understand very well the concept of immunizations. As to that 99% of doctors statistic you just pulled out of your ass, you would do well to read the alternative views and understand what these vaccines actually contain. > > Why do you think it is even necessary to artificially prevent ALL disease through vaccination? \*\*Why should I be afraid of the Flu, Chicken Pox, or any other number of fairly harmless illness that people have gotten for centuries with no lingering ill effects? > > Don’t you understand that people’s immune systems become stronger through fighting illness and disease? We can build up our defenses through supplementation and healthy living better than through vaccinations.\*\* > > Did you know that a fairly high number of vaccinations actually CAUSE the disease they are meant to prevent? Now tell me that is correct, in context. And that is all for that distraction from the OP. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/62 "2010-09-07T00:17:03Z")
So Jesus was gay? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/63 "2010-09-07T00:37:36Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > So Jesus was gay? He refused to get his anti-gay shot. He thought he could build up defenses by being exposed to gays. But he caught teh gay instead! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/64 "2010-09-07T00:50:29Z")
There are a wealth of possibility hidden in that word “exposed”. Perhaps you should be more explicit? On the other hand, perhaps not. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/65 "2010-09-07T00:55:34Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > There are a wealth of possibility hidden in that word “exposed”. Perhaps you should be more explicit? On the other hand, perhaps not. Well, he did weep, and I’ve heard that certain exposures can be painful. But that’s all I’m gonna say… ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/66 "2010-09-07T02:42:25Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > BTW, for the hard of thinking here is the context, just from the post in question: > > > [@](#): > > > > I know about herd immunity and understand very well the concept of immunizations. As to that 99% of doctors statistic you just pulled out of your ass, you would do well to read the alternative views and understand what these vaccines actually contain. > > > > Why do you think it is even necessary to artificially prevent ALL disease through vaccination? \*\*Why should I be afraid of the Flu, Chicken Pox, or any other number of fairly harmless illness that people have gotten for centuries with no lingering ill effects? > > > > Don’t you understand that people’s immune systems become stronger through fighting illness and disease? We can build up our defenses through supplementation and healthy living better than through vaccinations.\*\* > > > > Did you know that a fairly high number of vaccinations actually CAUSE the disease they are meant to prevent? > > Now tell me that is correct, in context. > > And that is all for that distraction from the OP. Wow, that quote made it sound even dumber than I originally thought. I think I’d call being \*dead \*a pretty serious lingering ill effect, personally. Also, this guy seems to think that because he goes to the gym a lot that is somehow protection against deadly diseases. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/67 "2010-09-07T03:04:53Z")
Holy crap, after getting huge lists of casualties from influenza outbreaks and having it explained clearly how the 1918 pandemic killed quite healthy folks he comes up with this: > [@](#): > > NOT AMONG HEALTHY PEOPLE! Healthy people do not die of the flu. There was a swine flu vaccine because people were made to be hysterical about a non event. No healthy person died from the swine flu. This was a racket. Of course, as someone pointed out in the thread these folks were not healthy as they had the flu at the time.\* - Just in case the lazy brigade is still around. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/68 "2010-09-07T03:19:45Z")
> [@The\_Lurker\_Above](#): > > Don’t forget ‘gold doesn’t fluctuate in value’ that one really cracks me up. ITR’s responses are so much fun to read on that topic. That and the the U.S. dollar losing nearly all of its value since 1913. These folks are always on about “the Dollar”, as if virtually every other currency hasn’t also been similarly impacted by 20th century inflation. Pick any currency–Deutschmark, peso, franc, or what have you, and in 1913 you could go to any of those respective countries and buy a staggering amount of merchandise for one or two of them. Or get yourself a meal, drink, shave and haircut, and carfare there and back. But by focusing on the dollar they can throw stones at FDR and the other American politicos they despise, and blame the inflation on government spending. In my opinion inflation can be more accurately blamed on the lack of political will to tax fortunes and incomes progressively, so instead the government resorts to selling T-bills, which inflates the money supply and is, in effect, a flat tax across the board. But then they love those flat taxes, don’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/69 "2010-09-07T04:20:47Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Holy crap, after getting huge lists of casualties from influenza outbreaks and having it explained clearly how the 1918 pandemic killed quite healthy folks he comes up with this: > > > [@](#): > > > > NOT AMONG HEALTHY PEOPLE! Healthy people do not die of the flu. There was a swine flu vaccine because people were made to be hysterical about a non event. No healthy person died from the swine flu. This was a racket. Yeesh - healthy people certainly can, and do, die of the flu. I’m highly suspicious of his claim that not a single healthy person died of the swine flu too. But, perhaps more to the point, this guy is totally ignoring the fact that refusing to be vaccinated or have your children vaccinated is putting people who do have lowered immune systems at risk for no good reason. It’s not all about the healthy people. Apparently he’s never heard of _herd immunity_. ---
**Author:** ![Oldeb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea666f/32.png) [@Oldeb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oldeb)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/70 "2010-09-07T04:30:08Z")
Oh no, he claims to be an expert in that too. He just doesn’t think it’s important. > [@jrodefeld](#): > > I know about herd immunity and understand very well the concept of immunizations. Honestly I’m not sure at this point what he _isn’t_ an expert in. Not bad for a guy in his early-mid 20’s. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/71 "2010-09-07T05:40:58Z")
> [@Oldeb](#): > > Oh no, he claims to be an expert in that too. He just doesn’t think it’s important. > > > [@jrodefeld](#): > > > > I know about herd immunity and understand very well the concept of immunizations. > > Honestly I’m not sure at this point what he _isn’t_ an expert in. Not bad for a guy in his early-mid 20’s. Well, to be fair a lot of people in their early-mid 20s are ‘experts’ in all sorts of things. And as they get older, they get stupider. Strange how that works. This guy sounds to me like he took Political Science 101 (and maybe Biology 101) and had a few stoned conversations in his dorm room and now fancies himself a well-educated expert. “It’s like…a conspiracy, dude! The big government just doesn’t want us to know the truth! Dude.” ---
**Author:** ![dzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@dzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzero)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/72 "2010-09-07T05:43:12Z")
I suspect these sorts of people have participated in secret govt programs where they have been immunized against things like shame and criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/73 "2010-09-07T07:01:38Z")
What does he mean by “supplementation” ? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/74 "2010-09-07T07:13:12Z")
Sam Stone just gave the most savage beating I’ve ever seen to Jro. I feel bad for him. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/75 "2010-09-07T08:28:05Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Sam Stone just gave the most savage beating I’ve ever seen to Jro. I feel bad for him. Save your sympathy for 48 hours, it’ll take J-Rod about that long to catch up. And even then he won’t realize it. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/76 "2010-09-07T11:21:25Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > Sam Stone just gave the most savage beating I’ve ever seen to Jro. I feel bad for him. > > Save your sympathy for 48 hours, it’ll take J-Rod about that long to catch up. > > And even then he won’t realize it. He’ll skip over that post. Claim he’s fairly answered everyone’s questions and pretend he just happened to miss every post that made critical questions. ---
**Author:** ![dzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@dzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzero)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/77 "2010-09-07T11:40:01Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > He’ll skip over that post. Claim he’s fairly answered everyone’s questions and pretend he just happened to miss every post that made critical questions. I think he already did that a couple hours ago. He responded to one narrow aspect of Sam’s post and blithely skipped along to his next 20 responses. ---
**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/78 "2010-09-07T12:48:14Z")
I said this in the GD thread, but I truly do like **jrodefeld**. He has the brain of a reasonably clever high school boy, attached to an ego that bruises more easily than an albino hemophiliac. He wants to believe _so desperately_ that he’s intelligent that he can’t stop shooting off his mouth on every topic under the sun. And so, in the same time that an ordinary idiot is wrong once in a predictable way, our pal **jrode** can make twenty separate mistakes on as many topics. And they will all be spectacular. He is a one man compendium of human fallacy. He has turned error into art. I could write a dozen books about the damage of the gold standard, cite mountains of evidence, refute every argument ever offered up for it – and it still wouldn’t bring more disrepute to the topic than **jrodefeld** does by himself with his own keyboard. And he doesn’t even realize what he’s doing to his own cause. He could not possibly be more oblivious. That’s just… extraordinary. He is extraordinary. So, what? Another two months, tops, before he’s banned? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/79 "2010-09-07T12:58:34Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Sam Stone just gave the most savage beating I’ve ever seen to Jro. I feel bad for him. If someone will link to that specific post, I’ll read it. I don’t feel like wading through the stupid to find it. ---
**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2010, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721/80 "2010-09-07T13:11:42Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > If someone will link to that specific post, I’ll read it. I don’t feel like wading through the stupid to find it. [Post 764](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12885424&postcount=764). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-the-jrodefeld-and-aigonz-retardothon/552721.md?page=5)