# Seriously, this thread is closed? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [October 30, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031 "2022-10-30T18:29:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/161 "2022-11-02T13:05:32Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > As explained before, it is going to the most extreme option (short of cornfielding) rather than trying more moderate methods first. As has been explained to you before, closing a thread to confer on what needs done is NOT the most extreme option. Not even close. “We’re going to discuss this and get back to you” isn’t even a decision. It’s just delaying the decision. The thread might stay permanently closed (which is the nuclear option) or it might be re-opened. There might be further instructions issued, there might not. Do you understand this? Because you keep repeating this incorrect information, which very strongly indicates that you just don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/162 "2022-11-02T14:14:14Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Because THAT was the way I wanted to write it. I didn’t see it as Pit-Level ranty and for the record it was relatively civil. By moving it into the Pit, all of the sudden civility to other members was gone and you saw what personal attacks occurred. So you think that you aren’t being given a true choice unless you can keep the option to do it exactly the way you want to even if the mods decide otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/163 "2022-11-02T14:19:32Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > As explained before, it is going to the most extreme option (short of cornfielding) rather than trying more moderate methods first. And the reaction of, “Well everything turned out OK so quit complaining.” misses the point of asking the mod why didn’t you try less extreme moderation first _which is standard procedure on this board_. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > Nope. > > IMHO, “this thread is closed for a short period while the mods reach consensus” is less extreme than “don’t talk about X in this thread” which is much less extreme than “this thread is closed. We are done here.” I want to emphasize this _again_. Because I said it upthread (and was promptly ignored by it’s targets, which does illustrate the mods points about notes and people not actually complying with them). There are all sorts of short pauses in threads, to cool-down when tempers are high, to head off hijacks, to wait if a forum mod is available, etc. The only reason this one was unusual was the duration, and that was because of IRL issues on a (minor) Holiday weekend! I don’t think the OP would be getting as much support or attention if it had been a more usual 1 hour pause, but the longer duration seem to be fueling their ‘nuclear’ exaggeration. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/164 "2022-11-02T14:27:58Z")
Just to make this clear. - The rules violation seemed pretty clear but I had be off the board soon. - No other GD mods were online. - There were many posts to address, if we felt the thread should be reopened. - Just a modnote pretty much does not work when there are many posts that need to be address - So the closure where I quoted the rule and let them know the closure would probably last a day or so. * * * - 4 mods in all decided the thread could continue with just the expanded note and staff notes on the posts that were MRA. - It turned out 6 posts needed to be addressed. * * * * * * As to the Nazi stuff, I really agree, No, just no. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/165 "2022-11-02T14:37:40Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > > [@BigT](#): > > > > It’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, no. But I would argue it’s a relative big deal for this board. This type of thing where a thread is completely closed until the mods can discuss something is rare, and usually an extreme move. ⁢ > > Maybe it should be less rare. It vehemently disagree. This clearly created more disruption than a note would have. As stated, only a few people were actually discussing the problematic part, and could be reigned in. If they persist, then that’s a reason to deal with them. As for active moderation–that’s what reports are for. It shouldn’t be your goal to put in the least amount of effort, but to moderate in the least disruptive fashion. A 24-hour shut down may not be a big disruption, but it is still a disruption. And that is why there was resentment created. While I do think posters went overboard, I do get why that is extremely frustrating. When the amount of people actually doing the possibly bad thing is small, there’s no reason to shut down the 90% of the rest, even if that is easier. And, well, it wasn’t easier, since it added all the effort you guys took to respond to this thread. So it fails on those grounds. As for people getting warnings for violating mod instructions, evne if those later change? That happens all the time. The Warning would be for ignoring mod instructions. I’m not a fan of creating new ways to moderate unless you can show some significant problem with the way things have been done before. That example with the thread bannings was a good one (and honestly would be a good tactic to use for any poster who ignore the mod instruction. Ban them from the thread.) So, no, I don’t think this is a practice that makes sense to continue. The other people got too mad, but their strategy for dealing with this was the better one, the less disruptive one that would accomplish the same goal, and less work than having to deal with people getting angry that you’ve once again come up with a new way to moderate that seems more restrictive than before. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/166 "2022-11-02T14:46:37Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It shouldn’t be your goal to put in the least amount of effort, but to moderate in the least disruptive fashion. It _should_ be our goal to reduce the effort required on the part of the moderators. They have a hard job to do, and I don’t see why we should make it harder. > [@BigT](#): > > less work than having to deal with people getting angry that you’ve once again come up with a new way to moderate that seems more restrictive than before. Eh, the people who are angry are those who look for something to be angry about. This thread would be here no matter what option the mods took, well, other than taking no action at all. They wanted to talk about all the poor men who won’t be able to tell a woman what to do with her body. That’s what they are upset about, not about the temporary closure, that’s just the disingenuous fig leaf. Now, some posters found it legitimately inconvenient that they had posts they wanted to make on the actual topic of the thread, and couldn’t, and that’s understandable. But they are not the ones who are actually _angry_ about this. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/167 "2022-11-02T15:47:23Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > This thread would be here no matter what option the mods took, well, other than taking no action at all Yup. And there’s absolutely no urgency for the mods to respond in this thread. This thread is not the sort of thing that makes people feel uncomfortable posting on the SDMB. What could have been posted in that thread was. So, honestly, replying in this thread is both less disruptive to the board AS A WHOLE and also easier on the mods. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/168 "2022-11-02T16:20:11Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Maybe it should be less rare. Yes, this. Y’all know I’m not exactly always siding with the moderation, and not a fan of delayed responses, especially when some result is promised and then a week passes. I’ve bumped more than one ATMB thread needling for some answer on something, I know. But I find I’m liking this particular flavour of delay, and can see how it’s an evolved response to folks not being told on dropping something, over and over again. Makes less work for the mods, and all that’s asked of posters is some damn patience. Seems like a fair trade. > [@BigT](#): > > A 24-hour shut down may not be a big disruption, but it is still a disruption. This board isn’t a transport system, nobody is going to be affected if they can’t post _right now_. “Disruption” is melodramatic exaggeration. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/169 "2022-11-02T17:24:35Z")
Ye gods, this thread is “full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” 168+ posts about an announced, temporary thread closure? Oh, the horror. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/170 "2022-11-02T17:34:41Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > - The rules violation seemed pretty clear but I had be off the board soon. > - No other GD mods were online. > - There were many posts to address, if we felt the thread should be reopened. > - Just a modnote pretty much does not work when there are many posts that need to be address > - So the closure where I quoted the rule and let them know the closure would probably last a day or so. You monster! ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/171 "2022-11-02T18:59:06Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > The thread might stay permanently closed (which is the nuclear option) or it might be re-opened. There might be further instructions issued, there might not. And every one of these things has happened multiple times. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/172 "2022-11-02T19:11:45Z")
And yet, the world still turns, the sun still rises, and there are no zombies in the streets. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/173 "2022-11-02T19:13:39Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > there are no zombies in the streets. Not until next Halloween, anyway. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/174 "2022-11-02T21:16:43Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Here you start edging into MRA territory, which was made toxic by the MRA movement. It’s not the fault of the moderators that the MRA movement is so toxic and starts to take over certain subjects. This is meaningless to me. Could someone explain, please? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/175 "2022-11-02T21:41:49Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > Could someone explain, please? [Men’s Rights Advocates](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movement). Not to be confused with [Magnetic Resonance Angiography](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_resonance_angiography). Here is a [SPLC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center) report about them: > **[Men’s Rights Movement Spreads False Claims about Women](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2012/men%E2%80%99s-rights-movement-spreads-false-claims-about-women)** > > Misogynists in the men’s and fathers’ rights movements have developed a set of claims about women to support their depictions of them as violent liars and manipulators of men. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/176 "2022-11-02T23:07:18Z")
I find it somewhat mildly hilarious that this thread is now nearly three times as long as the actual thread we are discussing. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/177 "2022-11-02T23:10:58Z")
Well it is more interesting. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/178 "2022-11-03T01:02:31Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Mods have lives too, even me. That’ll be quite enough of that nonsense! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/179 "2022-11-03T04:13:17Z")
If you’re gonna wear jackboots, you gotta dance for us in those jackboots! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/180 "2022-11-03T05:49:54Z")
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