# Seriously, why is attractive clothing for overweight women so hard to find? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 7, 2008, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616 "2008-07-07T21:26:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/1 "2008-07-07T21:26:02Z")
I’m posting this in MPSIMS because I know folks will post personal opinion and veer off-topic, something that will get a thread closed in GQ. It’s not political or religious in nature, so thus GD isn’t appropriate. I’m not flaming anything, so the Pit also isn’t a good venue. In many prolonged threads on the SDMB about weight-related issues, inevitably some Dopers of Size ™ will chime in and say that it’s so difficult to find attractive clothing that fits them. In this [thread gone wrong](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=474150), **Neutron Star** offers [these wise words](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9965634&postcount=41): > [@](#): > > I hear this complaint a lot on the SDMB and I can’t help wonder why, in a fiercely capitalist country where people will climb over each other and screw over their best friends to make money, a country that also happens to be the second fattest in the world (we fell behind Australia), this situation continues unabated. > > You’d think there’d be some big money in that shit… If there’s “big money in that shit”, why does it seels like nobody is taking advantage of it? When asked in passing in other threads in the past, the response to questions about the lack of attractive or flattering clothing for overweight women is usualyl something like “larger women have a larger variety of shapes and figures, and it’s difficult designing clothing to cater to those that arr pear-shaped, top-heavy, all0-around big, or some other shape.” Maybe, but women of those shapes _are_ finding clothing to wear; they’re not strolling around naked in public for lack of threads. If a designer can make something _ugly_ for those different shapes, why can’t they make something attractive or neutral? Basically, I’m asking if designers can design ugly clothing for overweight women – mu-mus, polyester-heavy fabrics, sacks, obnoxious prints not seen on clothing for those that are weight-appropriate-to-height, and so on – why can’t or won’t they design more attractive clothing? The only reason I can think of is “that’s what the market wants”, but it doesn’t make sense. I’m asking Dopers to please refrain from the usual flaming and trainwreck-inducing turns (talking about diet, glandual issues, fast food diets, laziness, concepts of personal beauty, paying for two seats on airplanes, and so on) that threads about weight usually involve. If this thread devolves like the “Why do obese women all dress the same?” thread (a mess from the start, I’ll admit), I’ll ask a mod to close it. ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/2 "2008-07-07T21:33:33Z")
Damn! Tried to fix the typos, but the hamsters decided to take a rest before the five-minute window. ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/3 "2008-07-07T21:35:06Z")
Shame. If you shame the fat chicks by only offering them ugly clothes, they will then be forced to lose weight just so they’ll have something to wear. As a tactic, this really doesn’t work so well, as anyone whose mother has ever started on them with a tirade about all the myriad ways they suck because they’re fat could attest. Hey, look, still bitter. But slowly becoming less fat at last. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/4 "2008-07-07T21:38:05Z")
Attractive plus size clothing is out there. I think a lot of the cute stuff is pretty pricey. Either The Average Plus Sized Gal can’t afford it or she doesn’t want to spend a bundle because she’s dieting. Just an observation based on anecdotal evidence. ---
**Author:** ![dre2xl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/34f0e0/32.png) [@dre2xl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dre2xl)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/5 "2008-07-07T21:48:46Z")
It’s very hard to feel worthy of attractive clothing given being bombarded with “you’re ugly” messages 24/7. ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/6 "2008-07-07T21:55:10Z")
[QUOTE=Telperien] Shame. If you shame the fat chicks by only offering them ugly clothes, they will then be forced to lose weight just so they’ll have something to wear. [/QUOTE] But how do clothing companies and designers profit from shame? One could put forward a conspiracy theory where they’re working in concert with the diet industry, but it’s just not feasible. Again, remember **neutron star’s** quote. ---
**Author:** ![dre2xl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/34f0e0/32.png) [@dre2xl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dre2xl)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/7 "2008-07-07T22:26:29Z")
[QUOTE=elmwood] But how do clothing companies and designers profit from shame? One could put forward a conspiracy theory where they’re working in concert with the diet industry, but it’s just not feasible. Again, remember **neutron star’s** quote. [/QUOTE] Although I personally ascribe to a different hypothesis, given my own experience with “puppy fat”, it’s not entirely unbelievable that big corporations would choose to not to cater to overweight women. First, there are only so many corporations that have the ability to make affordable clothing for big women. So you’re narrowing down the list of possible suppliers right there to a select few. Second, a “niche waiting to be filled” does not equal “opportunity to make the most money.” They may believe that size 0 designer clothing is still where the most money is at. Third, only a tiny handful of people are actually involved in guiding even the biggest corporations, and there is no guarantee that they lack myopia. See the American car companies that still are pushing SUVs even in danger of bankruptcy, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/8 "2008-07-07T23:29:32Z")
[QUOTE=elmwood] Basically, I’m asking if designers can design ugly clothing for overweight women – mu-mus, polyester-heavy fabrics, sacks, obnoxious prints not seen on clothing for those that are weight-appropriate-to-height, and so on – why can’t or won’t they design more attractive clothing? The only reason I can think of is “that’s what the market wants”, but it doesn’t make sense. [/QUOTE] I have worked for two large women who both dressed very well. One of them was more the suit type, the other one was more the prairie skirt with giant turquoise squash-blossom necklace type, but they both always looked really good and very well put together. One of them (prairie skirt) was regarded as kind of a hot number even though she was in her '60s–she had five ex-husbands, one of whom still sent her love letters. Balanced against them I have known women who wore hideous clothes and bitched that they couldn’t find anything decent. Lots of them. But the clothes are out there. ---
**Author:** ![Sticks\_and\_Scones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sticks_and_scones/32/16951_2.png) [@Sticks\_and\_Scones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sticks_and_Scones)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/9 "2008-07-07T23:37:53Z")
[www.zaftique.com](http://www.zaftique.com) My favorite! > **[IGIGI Plus Size Designer Dresses Sizes 12+ | Powered by COUTURME](https://www.igigi.com/)** > > Be elegant and sexy in our exclusive custom designed and custom-fit designer plus size clothing for every occasion in your life at IGIGI.com. Perfectly fit designer style for every curvy woman, including petites, tall and super sizes. > **[Plus Size Clothing for Women | Lane Bryant](https://www.lanebryant.com)** > > The latest looks in women's plus size clothing are just a click away at Lane Bryant. Shop trendy tops, pants, stylish dresses and more in sizes 10 to 40. [www.avenue.com](http://www.avenue.com) > **[Transformation starts with your people | Alight](https://www.alight.com)** > > From hire to retire, and beyond, your people depend on you for resources that will enhance their health, wealth, and wellbeing. Put the power in their hands with data and technology that provides clarity through timely, broader connected insights.... [www.torrid.com](http://www.torrid.com) [www.fashionbug.com](http://www.fashionbug.com) > **[Plus Size Clothing, Fashion That Fits | Roaman's](https://www.roamans.com/)** > > Shop Roaman's for the best in plus size clothing, carrying stylish clothing in sizes 12W-44W, wide and extra wide width women’s shoes sizes 7-12. www. [hipsandcurves.com](http://hipsandcurves.com) (possibly NSFW) www. [lingerieatlarge.com](http://lingerieatlarge.com) (possibly NSFW) [www.oldnavy.com](http://www.oldnavy.com) [www.eddiebauer.com](http://www.eddiebauer.com) > **[Lands' End: Jeans, Chinos, Coats, Sweaters, Turtlenecks](https://www.landsend.com)** > > Lands' End is a classic American lifestyle brand with a passion for quality, legendary service & real value. We seek to deliver timeless style for women, men, kids and the home. Shop lasting quality swimsuits, outerwear, apparel, home décor &... > **[Women's apparel, accessories, and footwear from J.Jill](https://www.jjill.com/)** > > J.Jill offers unique and fashionable women's apparel, accessories, and footwear. Clothing available in misses, petite, tall, and plus sizes. Shop JJill’s inspired style collection. [www.cjbanks.com](http://www.cjbanks.com) And so on… Above is a list of plus size clothing stores for women. Not only do they vary in price range, they also vary in style. ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/10 "2008-07-07T23:46:45Z")
My own pet theory is this. Big Name Designers don’t design clothes for any woman over size 12, and even refuse to make clothes for over size 12. If only slim people wear Armani, Armani will continue to breathe success, and secondly Armani will have an undeserved reputation as a brand of clothing that “flatters” the wearer. Which is, of course a devilish exampel of circular reasoning: People look slim in an Armani because only slim people get to _wear_ an Armani. If my theory is true, Big Name Designers _should_ make larger size clothes in countries where there is no taboo on being larger, and people have the money to pay for them. I wonder if any of the Dopers in the Middle East can tell us if that is the case over there. IIRC, it is. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/11 "2008-07-07T23:59:22Z")
[QUOTE=Always Brings Pie] [www.zaftique.com](http://www.zaftique.com) My favorite! > **[IGIGI Luxury Plus Size Designer Dresses Sizes 12+ | Made-To-Order](https://www.igigi.com/)** > > Be elegant and sexy in our exclusive custom designed and custom-fit luxury designer plus size clothing for every occasion in your life at IGIGI.com. Perfectly fit designer style for every curvy woman, including petites, tall and super sizes. > **[Access to this page has been denied.](https://www.lanebryant.com/verify?url=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubGFuZWJyeWFudC5jb20vb24vZGVtYW5kd2FyZS5zdG9yZS9TaXRlcy1MYW5lQnJ5YW50LVNpdGU%3D&frame=1779050337016)** > **[Plus Size Affordable Fashion at Avenue.com | Shop Women's Clothing in Plus...](https://www.avenue.com/)** > > Avenue > **[A benefits experience your employees will love. The efficiency your business...](https://www.alight.com)** > > Alight works with the best-known brands to create a benefits advantage -- an opportunity to optimize costs while delivering a world-class benefits experience. [www.torrid.com](http://www.torrid.com) [www.fashionbug.com](http://www.fashionbug.com) > **[Plus Size Clothing, Fashion That Fits | Roaman's](https://www.roamans.com/)** > > Shop Roaman's for the best in plus size clothing, carrying stylish clothing in sizes 12W-44W, wide and extra wide width women’s shoes sizes 7-12. www. [hipsandcurves.com](http://hipsandcurves.com) (possibly NSFW) www. [lingerieatlarge.com](http://lingerieatlarge.com) (possibly NSFW) > **[Old Navy | Affordable Clothing for Women, Men, Kids & Baby](https://oldnavy.gap.com/)** > > Old Navy provides the latest fashions at great prices for the whole family. Shop men's, women's, women's plus, kids', baby and maternity wear. We also offer big and tall sizes for adults and extended sizes for kids. > **[Eddie Bauer: Outdoor Apparel, Outerwear & Gear | Free Shipping $99+](https://www.eddiebauer.com)** > > Shop Eddie Bauer for premium outdoor clothing, outerwear, and gear for men and women. Built for adventure with quality you can trust for over 100 years. Free shipping on orders $99+. > **[Lands' End: Quality Clothing, Swimwear, Outerwear and Footwear](https://www.landsend.com)** > > Lands' End is a classic American lifestyle brand with a passion for quality, legendary service & real value. We seek to deliver timeless style for women, men, kids and the home. Shop lasting quality swimsuits, outerwear, apparel, home décor & more. [www.jjill.com](http://www.jjill.com) > **[cjbanks.com](http://www.cjbanks.com)** And so on… Above is a list of plus size clothing stores for women. Not only do they vary in price range, they also vary in style. [/QUOTE] Couldn’t have said it better myself. My wife never has any problems dressing as cute as a button. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/12 "2008-07-08T00:05:34Z")
The clothes \*are \* out there. I used to be a size sixteen, and I never had any problem finding cute clothes. And it’s not as though lots of \*thin \* people don’t dress badly. Put bluntly, I believe that while it may be marginally harder for plus-sized women to find attractive clothing, the fact is that there are lazy people, cheap people, and people with bad taste of \*all \* sizes, and \*all of them \* look like crap. ---
**Author:** ![WomanofScorn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5a626/32.png) [@WomanofScorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WomanofScorn)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/13 "2008-07-08T00:10:31Z")
[QUOTE=Always Brings Pie] [www.zaftique.com](http://www.zaftique.com) My favorite! > **[IGIGI Luxury Plus Size Designer Dresses Sizes 12+ | Made-To-Order](https://www.igigi.com/)** > > Be elegant and sexy in our exclusive custom designed and custom-fit luxury designer plus size clothing for every occasion in your life at IGIGI.com. Perfectly fit designer style for every curvy woman, including petites, tall and super sizes. > **[Access to this page has been denied.](https://www.lanebryant.com/verify?url=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubGFuZWJyeWFudC5jb20vb24vZGVtYW5kd2FyZS5zdG9yZS9TaXRlcy1MYW5lQnJ5YW50LVNpdGU%3D&frame=1779050337030)** > **[Plus Size Affordable Fashion at Avenue.com | Shop Women's Clothing in Plus...](https://www.avenue.com/)** > > Avenue > **[A benefits experience your employees will love. The efficiency your business...](https://www.alight.com)** > > Alight works with the best-known brands to create a benefits advantage -- an opportunity to optimize costs while delivering a world-class benefits experience. [www.torrid.com](http://www.torrid.com) [www.fashionbug.com](http://www.fashionbug.com) > **[Plus Size Clothing, Fashion That Fits | Roaman's](https://www.roamans.com/)** > > Shop Roaman's for the best in plus size clothing, carrying stylish clothing in sizes 12W-44W, wide and extra wide width women’s shoes sizes 7-12. www. [hipsandcurves.com](http://hipsandcurves.com) (possibly NSFW) www. [lingerieatlarge.com](http://lingerieatlarge.com) (possibly NSFW) > **[Old Navy | Affordable Clothing for Women, Men, Kids & Baby](https://oldnavy.gap.com/)** > > Old Navy provides the latest fashions at great prices for the whole family. Shop men's, women's, women's plus, kids', baby and maternity wear. We also offer big and tall sizes for adults and extended sizes for kids. > **[Eddie Bauer: Outdoor Apparel, Outerwear & Gear | Free Shipping $99+](https://www.eddiebauer.com)** > > Shop Eddie Bauer for premium outdoor clothing, outerwear, and gear for men and women. Built for adventure with quality you can trust for over 100 years. Free shipping on orders $99+. > **[Lands' End: Quality Clothing, Swimwear, Outerwear and Footwear](https://www.landsend.com)** > > Lands' End is a classic American lifestyle brand with a passion for quality, legendary service & real value. We seek to deliver timeless style for women, men, kids and the home. Shop lasting quality swimsuits, outerwear, apparel, home décor & more. > **[Women's apparel, accessories, and footwear from J. Jill](https://www.jjill.com/vp/maintenance_page1/vpwaitingroom-revised-V1.html)** > > J.Jill offers unique and fashionable women's apparel, accessories, and footwear. Clothing available in misses, petite, tall, and plus sizes. Shop JJill’s inspired style collection. > **[cjbanks.com](http://www.cjbanks.com)** And so on… Above is a list of plus size clothing stores for women. Not only do they vary in price range, they also vary in style. [/QUOTE] I’d like to add [http://www.bandlu.com](http://www.bandlu.com) but more importantly [this](http://www.bandlu.com/product.asp?item=cora) item which I bought and look FABULOUS in. Yes the clothes are out there, and while I’m glad there are websites o’ plenty to buy from, I also hate that I can’t just go in a store to buy them. I have from Cato mainly, but that’s pretty much my only option. Can’t answer about why designers aren’t making them though. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/14 "2008-07-08T00:11:01Z")
This isn’t a question with one answer. Some possible answers: 1. Women of a Certain Size are often gaining or losing weight (sometimes at the same time, it seems!) There’s definitely a reluctance to purchase much in your current size when you suspect that in 3 months it won’t fit. 2. Women of a Certain Size often don’t know where these stores are! Looking at the list above, I went, “Wait, what? Old Navy?! For Plus Sizes?!” looking at the website, I see a tab which says: “Exclusively Online Women’s Plus Sizes 16-30”. There you go. There is no Plus Size section in any Old Navy store, which leads me to… 3. Lots of the cute stuff is only available online. Which means you can’t browse. You can’t feel the fabrics. You can’t tell from a computer monitor that the shade of blue is actually hideous. You don’t get to see cute displays made up for ideas of what pieces to put together. And ordering stuff online that you’re not sure about is inconvenient and a crapshoot, not to mention often more expensive, if you have to pay shipping to return it. 4. Yeah, making clothes for overweight women is more expensive. (Spare the “more material” jokes, please.) Most designers at the Target price level have about a half dozen designs in about 8 colors. With thin women, this works, because the only measurements you really need to take into account are bust and hip and length. With heavy women, you’ve got a lot more variables, which means a lot more time paying people to draw and design and more designs for seamstresses to sew. To make it cost effective, they don’t make a dozen designs for the busty and another dozen for the big-assed and another dozen for the tomato shaped women. Rather, they have a smaller section of Plus Size, and the total number is divided by the body type they’re designing for. At any one time, if the fashion gods are smiling on me, I might find two blouses in a reasonable priced store that were designed with my body type in mind. After a time spent searching, you say “fuck it” and pick up half a dozen t-shirts in assorted colors and you’ve got your wardrobe, sad as it is. 5. If you dress ugly and you’re large, you’re doubly noticeable. If you dress ugly and you’re small, you fly under the radar. It’s the confirmation bias effect. A fat woman dressed in an awkward top is ugly. A thin women dressed in an awkward top “would be cute if she dressed nicer.” ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/15 "2008-07-08T00:15:23Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] Most designers at the Target price level have about a half dozen designs in about 8 colors. With thin women, this works, because the only measurements you really need to take into account are bust and hip and length. With heavy women, you’ve got a lot more variables, which means a lot more time paying people to draw and design and more designs for seamstresses to sew. To make it cost effective, they don’t make a dozen designs for the busty and another dozen for the big-assed and another dozen for the tomato shaped women. [/QUOTE] I’m not sure this is true. “Thin” women also come in “busty” and “big-assed” and “tomato-shaped”. Fit and figure concerns don’t disappear just because you get below some magical number on a scale or a size tag. ---
**Author:** ![Sticks\_and\_Scones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sticks_and_scones/32/16951_2.png) [@Sticks\_and\_Scones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sticks_and_Scones)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/16 "2008-07-08T00:17:04Z")
[QUOTE=WomanofScorn] I’d like to add [http://www.bandlu.com](http://www.bandlu.com) but more importantly [this](http://www.bandlu.com/product.asp?item=cora) item which I bought and look FABULOUS in. [/QUOTE] Ooh! Nice… Thanks, I forgot about b and lu. I got an awesome lightweight, figure-flattering sweatshirt from them that I love. (And my boyfriend likes it too!) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/17 "2008-07-08T00:33:02Z")
I’d add [this site](http://www.ullapopken.com) as well. Their clothing is a bit pricey, but let me tell you it’s well made and worth it! I’ve only been able to buy a few things from there because of the cost, but what I have gotten has been very high quality, nicely made, and durable. Unfortunately, they do not use plus-size models online; they do have some plus-size models in their catalogs, however. Also sometimes the fashions are just awful–like the capri pants. That’s JMHO, mind you; I think they look awful on me and won’t purchase them. ---
**Author:** ![Sticks\_and\_Scones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sticks_and_scones/32/16951_2.png) [@Sticks\_and\_Scones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sticks_and_Scones)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/18 "2008-07-08T00:35:59Z")
[QUOTE=tarragon918] I’d add [this site](http://www.ullapopken.com) as well. Their clothing is a bit pricey, but let me tell you it’s well made and worth it! I’ve only been able to buy a few things from there because of the cost, but what I have gotten has been very high quality, nicely made, and durable. Unfortunately, they do not use plus-size models online; they do have some plus-size models in their catalogs, however. Also sometimes the fashions are just awful–like the capri pants. That’s JMHO, mind you; I think they look awful on me and won’t purchase them. [/QUOTE] Yep, **herbs** , you got another one that I forgot. They are rather pricey. I think I’ve only got one thing from them, but it is pretty nice. ---
**Author:** ![pbbth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@pbbth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pbbth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/19 "2008-07-08T00:48:49Z")
_Slightly off-topic rant_ Today I went to the Avenue to get some new bras and I was told that I was not allowed to try anything on unless it was black in color. None of the employees could tell me why, just that I couldn’t try on any item in the store unless it was black. I walked out and went next door to Lane Bryant and spent my money there instead. I would say that requiring me to buy clothes that I don’t have any way of knowing whether or not they fit and then not letting me return them because they are all on sale is a good way to condemn a lot of women to being dressed awkwardly or spending more at another place. Stupid Avenue! ---
**Author:** ![Sticks\_and\_Scones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sticks_and_scones/32/16951_2.png) [@Sticks\_and\_Scones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sticks_and_Scones)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616/20 "2008-07-08T00:50:00Z")
I must say, after thinking about this for a little bit longer that if you would have asked me 15 years ago about finding attractive clothes in my size, I would have had a much different answer. Back then it was very difficult, but these days, business is booming. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-why-is-attractive-clothing-for-overweight-women-so-hard-to-find/455616.md?page=2)