# Sesame Street the Egyptian way **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 13, 2005, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500 "2005-12-13T22:35:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/1 "2005-12-13T22:35:49Z")
[Sesame Street the Egyptian way](http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=uizp8qbab.0.kclw8qbab.r4r4qyn6.2131&p=http%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fdq2yr) ---
**Author:** ![JonScribe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3be4f8/32.png) [@JonScribe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JonScribe)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/2 "2005-12-13T22:41:12Z")
OK. It’s maddening to see a child indoctrinated. But certainly not unique to Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/3 "2005-12-13T22:49:09Z")
but where do they stand on sugar/porridge issue? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/4 "2005-12-13T22:56:24Z")
I’m curious why it’s dubbed _and_ subtitled. This makes me question the accuracy of the English text, since it may represent a translation of a translation. Anyway, assuming the text offers a reasonably accurate account, I find it sad and ignorant and somewhat repulsive, but entirely too predictable to get outraged about. ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/5 "2005-12-13T22:57:45Z")
So, that clip was brought to me by the letter or the number…? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/6 "2005-12-13T23:00:35Z")
> [@Amp](#): > > So, that clip was brought to me by the letter or the number…? The letter ‘D’ - for dead zionist. I’m just guessing, I haven’t actually watched the clip ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/7 "2005-12-14T00:15:24Z")
C is for Car Bomb, it’s good enough for Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/8 "2005-12-14T08:52:05Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > I’m curious why it’s dubbed _and_ subtitled. This makes me question the accuracy of the English text, since it may represent a translation of a translation. MEMRI may be a bit one-track, but they’re reliable, and they certainly know their Arabic. However, I wonder about that Pepsi comment. Pepsico ended its boycott on Israel over a decade ago, so either the clip is dated, or they’re talking about something else entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/9 "2005-12-14T09:08:21Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > MEMRI may be a bit one-track, but they’re reliable, and they certainly know their Arabic. > > However, I wonder about that Pepsi comment. Pepsico ended its boycott on Israel over a decade ago, so either the clip is dated, or they’re talking about something else entirely. I just got it on a mailing list I’m on. So I thought it was new. Turns out it was from May 7, 2002. [http://www.memri.org/video/index.html](http://www.memri.org/video/index.html) It seems they’re talking about a consumer boycott of Pepsico, not of a Pepsi boycott of Israel. > [@](#): > > Here’s the transcript: > The Muslim Woman Magazine: Hosted by Doaa 'Amer (Aired from Egypt) > > Host: Our report today will be a little different, because our guest is a girl, a Muslim girl, but a true Muslim. Allah willing, may our God give us the strength to educate our children the same way, so that the next generation will turn out to be true Muslims who understand that they are Muslims and know who their enemies are. This girl will introduce herself immediately. She is the daughter of my sister in faith, and of the artist Wagdi Al-Arabi . Her name is Basmallah and we will ask her as well. > > Questions and Answers > > Host: Peace be upon you. Allah’s mercy and blessing upon you. What’s your name? > > Basmallah: Basmallah. > > Host: Basmallah, how old are you? > > Basmallah: Three and a half. > > Host: Are you a Muslim? > > Basmallah: Yes. > > Host: Basmallah, are you familiar with the Jews? > > Basmallah: Yes. > > Host: Do you like them? > > Basmallah: No. > > Host: Why don’t you like them? > > Basmallah: Because… > > Host: Because they are what? > > Basmallah: They’re apes and pigs. > > Host: Because they’re apes and pigs? Who said they are so? > > Basmallah: Our God. > > Host: Where did he say this? > > Basmallah: In the Koran. > > Host: Right, he said that about them in the Koran. - Okay, Basmallah, what are > the Jews doing? > > Basmallah: The Pepsi company. > > Host: You also know about the boycott, Basmallah? Did they love our master > Muhammad? > > Basmallah: No. > > Host: No, what did the Jews do to him? > > Basmallah: The Prophet Muhammad killed someone… > > Host: Obviously, our master Muhammad was strong and could have killed them. All right, you know the traditions about the Jews and what they did to the Prophet Muhammad? Is there a story you know? > > Basmallah: Yes, the story about the Jewish woman. > > Host: The Jewish woman? What did she do to our master the Prophet Muhammad? > > Basmallah: The Jewish woman? > > Host: Yes. > > Basmallah: There was a Jewish woman who invited the Prophet and his friends. When he asked her, ‘Did you put poison (in my food)?’ she said to him, ‘Yes.’ He asked her, ‘Why did you do this?’ and she replied: ‘If you are a liar - you will die and Allah will not protect you; if you speak the truth - Allah will protect you.’ > Host: And our God protected the Prophet Muhammad, of course. > > Basmallah: And he said to his friends: ‘I will kill this lady.’ > > Host: Of course, because she put poison in his food, this Jewess. > > Host: Basmallah, Allah be praised, Basmallah, Allah be praised. May our God bless her. No one could wish Allah could give him a more believing girl than she… May Allah bless her and her father and mother. The next generation of children must be true Muslims. We must educate them now while they are still children so that they will be true Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/10 "2005-12-14T09:45:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Host: Okay, Basmallah, what are the Jews doing? > > Basmallah: The Pepsi company. The Jews are _doing_ the Pepsi company? Cool. How many shares do I have to buy to nail Sarah Silverman? ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/11 "2005-12-14T10:32:10Z")
Just to point out that **nowhere** in the Koran does it say that Jews are pigs or apes. Yet again, what you have is fuckwits using religion as an excuse to push political aims. In Islam, Jews are considered to be ‘People of the Book’, i.e. one of the people to whom Allah gave guidance. We revere the Torah as we do the Koran, and believe me, I am really fucking pissed off that someone’d spew fucking shite like this in the name of Islam. It makes me fucking mad. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/12 "2005-12-14T11:09:37Z")
Honestly, though, how is this different from Christian Sunday schools teaching young kids that the Jews are going to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus? Robin ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/13 "2005-12-14T11:27:49Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > Honestly, though, how is this different from Christian Sunday schools teaching young kids that the Jews are going to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus? > > Robin It isn’t, but Rune has a bug in his bonnet about Islam, and any cursory read of his threads show that. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/14 "2005-12-14T11:41:42Z")
> [@TwistofFate](#): > > It isn’t, but Rune has a bug in his bonnet about Islam, and any cursory read of his threads show that. I know, I’m just feeling a bit peckish this morning. 😃 Robin ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/15 "2005-12-14T12:35:10Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > Honestly, though, how is this different from Christian Sunday schools teaching young kids that the Jews are going to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus? I can only speak from my own experiences, but my Sunday school never once mentioned hell in any context. It certainly didn’t single out any specific faith for condemnation. From where I’m sitting, the two couldn’t be more different. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/16 "2005-12-14T12:40:26Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > Honestly, though, how is this different from Christian Sunday schools teaching young kids that the Jews are going to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus? What’s your point? That if some people do disgusting things, others get a free pass? If that’s the kind of thing the spew in Sunday schools around where you live, then they’re just as disgusting. Personally I’ve never heard of a Sunday school around these parts that taught that Jews or Muslims are pigs and apes – let alone put it on TV, but I shall take your word for it. But I shall remember this for the next Chick Tract pitting I read. _“Yeah but honestly, how’s Chick showing kids in hell any different from what they teach on state controlled Egyptian children’s TV?”_ . And I see you yourself have posted a number of times in Chick Tract threads – so apparently you are no fan of religious inspired bigotry. So why do you feel a need to downplay when it’s done in this instance? > [@TwistofFate](#): > > It isn’t, but Rune has a bug in his bonnet about Islam, and any cursory read of his threads show that. dud… You are an idiot. I’ve got a bug up my bonnet about most things in this world - including Islam. But I’m sorry to say that less than 5% of my posts are about Islam. But those that are apparently must have shocked you so much they left you deeply impressed. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/17 "2005-12-14T12:54:57Z")
Believe me, I’m not downplaying religious intolerance in any context, especially since I’m Jewish. My point is that intolerance is intolerance no matter what faith spews it, my own included. Muslim kids parrotting an adult that Jews are pigs and apes aren’t much different from Christian kids parrotting an adult that Jews (or Muslims) are going to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus. I don’t think Bismallah knows what a Jew _is_. (FTR, some churches profess that people who haven’t accepted Jesus and achieved salvation will go to hell. I know this because I’ve been on the receiving end of that party line more times than I care to think about, and I’m sure other Jews on the board have too.) Robin ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/18 "2005-12-14T13:09:25Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > My point is that intolerance is intolerance no matter what faith spews it, my own included. Muslim kids parrotting an adult that Jews are pigs and apes aren’t much different from Christian kids parrotting an adult that Jews (or Muslims) are going to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus. I don’t think Bismallah knows what a Jew _is_. Actually I do see a big difference between teaching kids (do Sunday school even take them as young as 3yo? – I don’t think we have Sunday schools in Denmark) that all non-believers will go to hell in the afterlife, and singling out one specific group for contempt and hatred in this life and saying they’re monkeys and pigs and such. But that’s another question, and even saying worse things happen in Sunday school, I still can’t see how your posts can be seen as anything but downplaying this instance. Yes intolerance is intolerance. And in this instance it was done by an Egyptian women. Do we need to compare with New York Sunday schools, Indian Hindu schools and Pakistani Koran schools every time we bring up a thread about some other thing? Would you be happy if in the next Chick Tract pitting I went by and said that, that’s nothing compared to what they do in Egypt? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/19 "2005-12-14T13:15:50Z")
MsRobyn: Some of us Christians have been on the receiving end of the “you’re going to hell” party line professed by some other Christians. It’s very sad to see a 3 year old girl parrotting that trash. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2005, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500/20 "2005-12-14T13:17:44Z")
I’ll attest to that one. And it works the other way, too. I recall in one of my hebrew school classes we were being taught the tale of Noah and the ark and in the pictures the people left behind to drown all had afros, flat noses and big lips. Feh, and people ask me why I don’t dig religion. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sesame-street-the-egyptian-way/335500.md?page=2)