# "Setter" in British and/or Indian dialect/slang? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [April 6, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/setter-in-british-and-or-indian-dialect-slang/811922 "2018-04-06T13:35:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/setter-in-british-and-or-indian-dialect-slang/811922/21 "2018-04-10T02:46:13Z")
> [@andros](#): > > While I agree with that, the same complaint holds for American crosswords as well. There is a code, a language that one typically needs to understand going into them. it’s not as…well, cryptic, but it’s there. I’m not sure I agree. You can pretty much pick up an American crossword puzzle for the first time and understand the clues. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/setter-in-british-and-or-indian-dialect-slang/811922/22 "2018-04-10T21:39:09Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Perfect illustration of why I hate this kind of puzzle. They’re dependent upon your being in on some arbitrary code. It has nothing to do with your knowledge of words or trivia. Not really. There are maybe half a dozen basic “rules” of cryptic crosswords, and once you grasp them you can get solving. I love them. I really really hate American-style (and English “quick”) crosswords, which are infuriatingly vague. Cryptic ones are pure logic and wordplay, really. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/setter-in-british-and-or-indian-dialect-slang/811922/23 "2018-04-10T22:23:12Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > Not really. There are maybe half a dozen basic “rules” of cryptic crosswords, and once you grasp them you can get solving. I love them. I really really hate American-style (and English “quick”) crosswords, which are infuriatingly vague. Cryptic ones are pure logic and wordplay, really. Cryptics drive me nuts, mainly because I just can’t figure them out. I’ve read over the clue types, rules, did practice clues, etc., but in the wild, they just infuriate the fuck out of me. I’m lucky if I can get one clue. _That said_, what you say is correct: if you get the answer, you pretty much know you definitely got the answer, given the way the clue is constructed. You don’t have situations like “God of war” four letters, and you’re wondering whether it’s ARES or MARS (or possibly ODIN or THOR, but those are usually further clued in with "Scandinavian god of war.) On the other, other hand, I enjoy this type of ambiguity, as it makes the orthogonal clues important and works the logical part of the brain in narrowing down what possible letters can go in what spaces. It’s a different type of puzzle, I guess. A good American style crossword (New York Times is the gold standard for me) I find very satisfying, and I enjoy the tight nature of the grids (where each letter in each word has to be part of at least another 3-letter word). To me, there’s a certain beauty in that. ---
**Author:** ![NotFromOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9dc877/32.png) [@NotFromOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotFromOne)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/setter-in-british-and-or-indian-dialect-slang/811922/24 "2018-04-10T23:00:51Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I think for the middle part it’s > > bag = win, around r = rare Which part is the "embargo? part? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Gary\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_T)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/setter-in-british-and-or-indian-dialect-slang/811922/25 "2018-04-11T03:35:57Z")
> [@NotFromOne](#): > > Which part is the "embargo? part? The word “bar” (as shown in post #12). Some meanings of “embargo” are essentially the same as some meanings of “bar.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/setter-in-british-and-or-indian-dialect-slang/811922.md?page=1)