# Sevastopol, Der Trihs, round 2 motherfuckers! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2006, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959 "2006-02-04T04:32:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/1 "2006-02-04T04:32:15Z")
Christ on a couch, you two never cease to amaze in your stupidity, hatred, assholishness, and all-around douchebagedness. (New word, bitch!!) In [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=357168) thread you two shitstains rear your heads again. In a direct quote to **Hamlet** ’s > [@](#): > > most importantly, American lives. . **Sevvy** has this to say: > [@](#): > > **Least** important, less important than dirtied doormats. Totally unimportant. A positive boon to global wellbeing. An ongoing campaign of just punishment. His bolding, not mine. Then, we get ole **Der Shitskyov** , directly quoting **Shitinthepool** with the post: > [@](#): > > Agreed . So let’s look at this daring, edgy and enlightening position. American lives are worth less than a dirty doormat. A soldier or aid worker is totally unimportant. An American death is ultimately a benefit to the world. (Um, wishing death on Americans? If not, you’re wishing death on the rest of the world.) The death of Americans is just the righteous justice we’ve been deserving for so long. You two ass fucks are blatantly calling for the death of American military and civilians. No matter the circumstance, you want Americans to die. And you’re fucking cheering it. Even if the SDMB didn’t have the rules in place that they do, I couldn’t post my true thoughts and feelings toward you two cowards. Say this shit publicly at a military base. Or at your town hall. Or anwhere you feel you can sac up and say it anywhere other than an anonymous message board. I can appreciate sentiment and rage against the war. I argue and tussle with many here on the matter, and I take much of it to heart. I have changed some of my views, and to you Dopers that have been a part of it, I say thanks. But cheering for and wishing for death of soldiers (as the shitbags I’ve addressed this to), as well as those that deny that there is a faction of the left that hopes for the death of military personnel, fuck you. Fuck you and every member in your maternal line. Those women somehow found the biggest douchebag in the village and just raised their legs to be infected with whatever your forefathers called sperm. (I’m guessing pig shit.) And on down the line till they shat the two of you out of their vapid cunts. Worthless motherfuckers. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/2 "2006-02-04T04:38:05Z")
I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again. I never quite understand why people feel the need to start a new Pit thread in order to respond to posts in another Pit thread. What, exactly, did you say here that you couldn’t have said there? Also, why link to **World Eater** ’s post if it’s those other guys that you’re worried about. 1/10 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/3 "2006-02-04T04:48:29Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again. > > I never quite understand why people feel the need to start a new Pit thread in order to respond to posts in another Pit thread. Starting a new thread so as not to hijack the original is simply good manners, no matter where the threads are. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/4 "2006-02-04T04:49:22Z")
Shit, I was trying to link to the thread, not to any post. That’s what the links were for. Any chance the coding can be fixed? The reason for the thread is it doesn’t fit in the current **Sevastopol** Pit since it involves 2 “people”. The second reason is it involves 2 Dopers seemingly jerking off over American deaths. It appears to be a pitworthy subject in itself. But if this isn’t worthy of a Pit, it can be deleted and we can go back to what someone perceives to be a wrong based on alleged stories. And how the hell did that first link go to a post rather than the start of the thread? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/5 "2006-02-04T04:51:23Z")
I guess, although it seems to me that dealing with the issue there wouldn’t have been too much of a hijack anyway. That thread is in sharp decline. Also, if you’re going to start a new thread to Pit someone, it’s considered good form to provide a link in the original thread, so the targets of your ire know that they have been called on the carpet. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/6 "2006-02-04T05:14:17Z")
You are correct. I had forgotten about that. Here goes. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/7 "2006-02-04T05:22:33Z")
They do seem to dismiss American deaths as meaningless. I disagree with that. However, I also disagree with your implicit assumption that American deaths matter more than the deaths of people of other nationalities. All deaths matter. Every persons death diminishes us all. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/8 "2006-02-04T05:31:27Z")
Of course every death matters **Frank**. But read the shit in context and it’s not about death. It’s about pleasure of American’s dying. It’s not some noble argument for world peace. They agree that every American death is for the better good of the world. It’s in their own words. (One stated, one implicit by agreeing with it.) It’s akin to a Bizarro world of “Every time a bell rings, an angel gets it’s wings”. I’m not the one dismissing anyone’s death. It’s these two fucks saying the people are less than dirty doormats. Americans, to be specific. Nobody else, Americans. And that’s fine if they (as fucking Americans) want to say we’re better off being killed. Free speech and all that. It’s funny how if I said the same to them I’d be banned. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/9 "2006-02-04T05:36:59Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > They do seem to dismiss American deaths as meaningless. Really? Because it seems to me that they are doing more than just that. As in saying that American deaths are a “positive boon”, “just punishment”, “ultimately a benefit”, and “righteous justice”. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/10 "2006-02-04T05:50:25Z")
I’m on **duffer’s** side here. A rare position for this anti-war leftie! But when I read that shit in my thread I wanted to punch out that fucker. Thanks, **duffer** , for taking it elsewhere. Let the thread die unhijacked into dissection of just how despicable those two are. Seems to me **Sevastopol** skated right up to the line of wishing death on American personnel. The waste of proteins certainly wallows in delight at it, huh? Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/11 "2006-02-04T06:11:46Z")
I may be dense but I’ve just realized that Der Trihs is a reversal of [“Red Shirt”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(science_fiction)) … shouldn’t this character (not the real person, no harm wished) have been killed off by now? As to Sev, why waste good electrons complaining about him? No one needs more convincing. I’m committing myself to just ignoring that excuse for a human. (No ignore list function for me, that’s cheating!) Funny, his namesake is a city in Crimea that derives its meaning from the Greek “Sevastos Polis” for “respected city” and here he has earned no respect and only great contempt. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/12 "2006-02-04T06:13:22Z")
Meh, if you look at it in the context of **Hamlet** ’s statement and not just the part he quoted it makes more sense: > [@Hamlet](#): > > Saddam was a murderous, evil tyrant and the world, and Iraq, are better off without him in power (at least for now). And the more democracy in the world better (at least for now). So, some good was accomplished. The problem I see with this view is that it ignores the costs, in money, world peace, and, most importantly, American lives. > [@Sevastopol](#): > > Least important, less important than dirtied doormats. Totally unimportant. A positive boon to global wellbeing. An ongoing campaign of just punishment. I don’t necessarily agree with that statement but I can certainly see an argument that deaths of an invading army in an unjust war is a just punishment. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/13 "2006-02-04T06:20:27Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Seems to me **Sevastopol** skated right up to the line of wishing death on American personnel. You know what? As one of the people that those comments are aimed at, I would like to say for the record that I simply don’t give two shits anymore. I used to be outraged and I usually came up firing with both barrels when I saw comments like that, but after it had been done so many times by so many people and the Moderators had affirmed and re-affirmed their right to say that stuff by taking no action and in some cases saying that it didn’t apply to me because they weren’t directly referring to me (just as if I were to wish death on black people I wouldn’t be referring to anyone specific-yeah, let’s see that one fly) I just decided that I didn’t care anymore. Let them talk. Don’t react, don’t waste the effort typing. Let them wallow in their hate. It’s funny. I’ve been shot at by the Iraqis and yet I harbor them no ill will. A soldier takes a soldier’s chance. And yet, strangely, I have still never been attacked so savagely as I have here. I am a murderer, a terrorist, a syncophant, and puppet, a stooge, and an automaton. Send me back. At least I can find a way to respect a soldier even as he tries to kill me. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/14 "2006-02-04T06:45:17Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > As to Sev, why waste good electrons complaining about him? No one needs more convincing. I’m committing myself to just ignoring that excuse for a human. (No ignore list function for me, that’s cheating!) Funny, his namesake is a city in Crimea that derives its meaning from the Greek “Sevastos Polis” for “respected city” and here he has earned no respect and only great contempt. Don’t talk about who is or isn’t on your ignore list, thanks. But you knew that rule already. > [@treis](#): > > As I don’t necessarily agree with that statement but I can certainly see an argument that deaths of an invading army in an unjust war is a just punishment. A tragic but just response by the Iraqis. An outcome decided upon and democratically accepted when the US decided to put its troops in danger. I’ve elaborated further in my response to the original thread and won’t return to this one. I mean, how dare someone count the lives of Iraqis at naught and then dare further to impugn me for repudiating that position. If the post that provoked this reads as welcoming the deaths of American servicepeople, or indeed any deaths, rather than unhappily recognising the justice of the Iraqi resistance, if my post reads as such, I unreservedly apologise to each individual. Further recognising that my post could be quite reasonably read as such, but you know, sometimes its hard to compose cooly. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/15 "2006-02-04T07:23:52Z")
Hey, how many other posters out there can make me and **duffer** be in complete agreement? That’s a rare talent, right there. Too bad it’s not rarer. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/16 "2006-02-04T07:30:33Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I may be dense but I’ve just realized that Der Trihs is a reversal of [“Red Shirt”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(science_fiction)) … shouldn’t this character (not the real person, no harm wished) have been killed off by now? It’s a reference to a character in the webcomic Schlock Mercenary, as it happen. Considering that this country is so fervently pro death penalty, it’s amusing so many people get excited over the death of murderers who happen to be in a uniform. If you invade and conquer a country for no good reason, killing tens of thousands in the process, and the locals manage to kill you in retaliation - well, that’s frontier justice in action. And no, they “aren’t fighting for me”, or to protect me. They are fighting for Bush and friends, and show total amorality by doing so in the manner they do so. If Bush told them to, I’m sure they’d cheerfully burst in my home and kill me. So no, I feel no compassion for them, and think the world is better off without them. You may now commence the pile on. However, I do wonder how many secretly agree with me, and are are too polite/gutless to say so. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/17 "2006-02-04T07:35:19Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > You know what? As one of the people that those comments are aimed at, I would like to say for the record that I simply don’t give two shits anymore. I used to be outraged and I usually came up firing with both barrels when I saw comments like that, but after it had been done so many times by so many people and the Moderators had affirmed and re-affirmed their right to say that stuff by taking no action and in some cases saying that it didn’t apply to me because they weren’t directly referring to me (just as if I were to wish death on black people I wouldn’t be referring to anyone specific-yeah, let’s see that one fly) I just decided that I didn’t care anymore. > > Let them talk. Don’t react, don’t waste the effort typing. Let them wallow in their hate. > > It’s funny. I’ve been shot at by the Iraqis and yet I harbor them no ill will. A soldier takes a soldier’s chance. And yet, strangely, I have still never been attacked so savagely as I have here. I am a murderer, a terrorist, a syncophant, and puppet, a stooge, and an automaton. > > Send me back. At least I can find a way to respect a soldier even as he tries to kill me. Shit, dude. It’s okay. Remember, a lot of people here have tremendous respect for you guys that’ve been in the Sandbox. I don’t want to sound all lovey-dovey or anything here in the Pit, but I’ve got a lot of respect for you, **Doors**. I don’t agree with all of your politics, but who cares? You remind me a lot of one of my very close friends. As such, let me just say: let these Fred Phelps-ish, goat-felching scumfucks eat shit and languish in their own putridness. It’s too goddamn bad that some people can’t have respect for other folks who’ve died for something they believe in on _either_ side of this goddamn, fucked-up, trumped-up war. We’re all human-fuckin’-beings here. It’d be nice if some of us remembered that. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/18 "2006-02-04T07:47:42Z")
> [@](#): > > Considering that this country is so fervently pro death penalty, it’s amusing so many people get excited over the death of murderers who happen to be in a uniform. It’s not the same thing and you fucking know it. We aren’t going into homes and killing random people. We aren’t blowing up shit just because we can. Regardless of which moldy, old-ass fatcats want to bluster about war and heroism here at home, the military is taking care of its business as best it can. They’re people too. They aren’t shooting kids for fun. > [@](#): > > And no, they “aren’t fighting for me”, or to protect me. They are fighting for Bush and friends, and show total amorality by doing so in the manner they do so. If Bush told them to, I’m sure they’d cheerfully burst in my home and kill me. Maybe, maybe not. That’s why you’ve got a Second Amendment right to bear arms, you insufferable twat. You’re allowed to defend what you have against any threat. While you certainly have the right to dance gleefully at the pronouncement of every new death in Iraq (and seems rather ironic that you would put _any_ life over another in value, since you value life so much), I have the right to call you a fucking peon. You’re a broken anal bead in the crack of humanity. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/19 "2006-02-04T07:51:53Z")
> [@Hung Mung](#): > > They aren’t shooting kids for fun. That’s true enough. I don’t recall seeing any pictures of kids at Abu Ghraib. They are, it seems, confining the torture to adults. Something to be thankful for, i guess. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959/20 "2006-02-04T07:55:24Z")
> [@Hung Mung](#): > > It’s too goddamn bad that some people can’t have respect for other folks who’ve died for something they believe in on _either_ side of this goddamn, fucked-up, trumped-up war. We’re all human-fuckin’-beings here. It’d be nice if some of us remembered that. Well said. Losses on both sides are tragic. Losses on both sides leave families grieving. Losses on both sides are not losses but deaths of people. American troops deserve the respect of their country because they were sent by their country and are doing what they were told to do. The ‘insurgents’ probably get the respect from some in their country because they have decided to fight for something they believe in and defend those beliefs in their own country. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevastopol-der-trihs-round-2-motherfuckers/342959.md?page=2)