# Seven's neural patterns have disappeared...we've lost her... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 28, 2001, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624 "2001-08-28T23:40:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/21 "2001-08-30T23:16:53Z")
But he’s an English actor playing a _French_man (with an English accent). ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2001, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/22 "2001-08-30T23:21:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by xizor \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > > \*\*It ruined the only cool thing about Star Trek: The Borg. What was once a mysterious, all-powerful force of nature became a bunch of pathetic grouping of namby-pamby sissyboys, with a collective (pun intended) IQ of three (the exact number of fans who liked Neelix!). \*\* > > They did the same thing to Q. \*\* Well, no, they changed Q from a human-hating, egotistical, self-centered, and slightly loopy demonic entity to a human-boning, egotistical, self-centered, and slightly loopy pimp-daddy. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/23 "2001-08-31T00:54:04Z")
Hey… I liked Voyager ☹ You guys are just jealous. You just didn’t get it. It went over your heads. Let me think of some more cliche defenses and I’ll be back. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/24 "2001-08-31T01:12:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\*Unless at least one of the following conditions are met - > > 1. taut, DS9esque plotting with significant, consistent story arcs and mature, credible character advancement > 2. two male crewmembers screwing the dilithium out of one another > > - I seriously doubt it. \*\* Since DS9 didn’t get either of those I’m not convinced you’ll see it happen in Enterprise. Marc ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/25 "2001-08-31T02:36:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jab1 \* > \*\*The hologram of Moriarty on TNG always said “leftenant.” If they got it right then, maybe they’ll get it right this time as well. \*\* It would be right for a character from nineteenth century England to say it that way. It would NOT be right for a character from the 22nd century Federation to say it that way, since by that time I would imagine Starfleet would have settled on one pronounciation. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/26 "2001-08-31T03:09:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MGibson \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > > > > 1. taut, DS9esque plotting with significant, consistent story arcs and mature, credible character advancement > > \*\* > > Since DS9 didn’t get either of those I’m not convinced you’ll see it happen in Enterprise. > \*\* You may believe what you like, but its plotting was one of the main things I liked about DS9 and I hope (but doubt) that Enterprise will be similar. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/27 "2001-08-31T04:14:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\* > > You may believe what you like, but its plotting was one of the main things I liked about DS9 and I hope (but doubt) that Enterprise will be similar. \*\* For me it was just a case of to little to late. Although I would agree that DS9 did have quite a few decent episodes. Marc ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/28 "2001-08-31T18:30:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by OpalCat \* > **Hey… I liked Voyager ☹** Well, even though I complain about the plots and suspensions of belief and stuff, the fact remains that I have seen every episode. ---
**Author:** ![teela\_brown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d9b06d/32.png) [@teela\_brown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teela_brown)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2001, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/29 "2001-08-31T22:36:06Z")
There has been no sexual tension in any of the series since Troy and Warf almost Did It in TNG. Or did they Do It and I missed it because we were moving at right about that time? Once you’ve had Klingon . . . ---
**Author:** ![Ferggie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@Ferggie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferggie)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/30 "2001-09-01T00:51:21Z")
This is why I’m a Star Wars fan…because Voyager was the only Star Trek I did like. (_ducks to avoid Tribbles being thrown her direction._ Ow, was that one of those big metal Klingon boomerang things?) ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/31 "2001-09-01T02:02:05Z")
No sexual tension? Are you kidding? Did you see “The Chute” (Voy) or “Extreme Measures” (DS9)? Sexual tension between Tom & Harry or between Julian & Miles makes Matt very _very_ happy _indeed._ 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/32 "2001-09-01T02:33:07Z")
The rumor I’ve read (TV Guide), denied by Berman, though he said it was possible in the future for one of the characters to be, is that it is the English Weapons Officer who will be the gay character. Supposedly Chrlie “Trip” Tucker, the country-boy Engineer, has the hots for the Vulcan, but it could be a cover, I suppose. Sir Rhosis ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/33 "2001-09-01T16:38:40Z")
People dont’ like Voyager because a woman is running the joint. 🙂 Screwing the anything out of each other just isn’t Trekian. 🙂 Engineer being gay was defined by B&B, for whatever that’s worth. Engineer hots for the Vulcan: I presume this is due to the scene in the preview where they are rubbing om each other. This is explained on the script you can find on line ans is not romantic. Seven years and all that. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/34 "2001-09-01T16:39:43Z")
“Defined” = “denied”. ---
**Author:** ![Legomancer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/779978/32.png) [@Legomancer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legomancer)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/35 "2001-09-01T16:43:01Z")
Application for a Star Trek Character: Name: \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Job: \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Race: Half-Human, Half-\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Which crew member do you have a secret crush on? \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ What musical instrument do you play? \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Thank you, your application will be reviewed. Please note that if you are selected as a Star Trek Character, you will be expected to change your secret crush somewhere around Season 4 for “Character Development”. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/36 "2001-09-01T16:54:41Z")
Legomancer- LOL! So, what’s with the sex stuff? Even a classy flic like Aliens made an outstanding actress like Sigorney Weaver take her clothes off most of the way just to show skin. Taking a Vulcan and sticking her in a Sport Illustrated Swimsuit Issue (and why does a sports magaziene…but I digress) outfit fellates with great allacrity. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/37 "2001-09-01T19:43:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cervaise \* > \*\*Oh yeah, that’s right, one of the fact-checkers had to explain _fundamental Trek mythos_ to the _fucking executive producer._ > > I’d really like this show to be cool. > > I can’t imagine how it could be. > > Oh, and the script for the next _Trek_ movie is supposed to be camel dung, also. > > Have a nice day. \*\* Cervaise, surely you realize that the next Trek movie will be good. Because it will be an even-numbered one, and all even-numbered Trek movies are good. Please, don’t jinx the numbering rule! ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/38 "2001-09-01T22:38:05Z")
FWIW, Berman denied that the BRITISH WEAPONS OFFICER was currently intended to be gay. I responded above because someone else had said he heard the ENGINEER was supposedly going to be outed. I had never heard that character being mentioned as being gay. Here is Berman’s quote from TV Guide when asked if Malcolm Reed (the British Weapons Officer) would become the first openly gay character in Trek history: “That’s totally untrue. Well, I shouldn’t say totally untrue. . . One of these characters may turn out to be gay.” Now, perhaps the Weapons Officer rumors are just that, and the Engineer, good ol’ Charlie “Trip” Tucker, will be the first redneck gay character (that I’m aware of) in television history, certainly Star Trek history. Sorry for the hijack to the OP. Sir Rhosis ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/39 "2001-09-01T22:58:41Z")
> [@](#): > > People dont’ like Voyager because a woman is running the joint. Janeway was a woman? It thought that was just a short, long-haired guy who smoked twenty packs a day and had a bad case of man-boobs… Suddenly it doesn’t seem so homoerotic in the few instances when Janeway got some smoochey-smoochies with the male guest star… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2001, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624/40 "2001-09-01T23:13:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sir Rhosis \* > **FWIW, Berman denied that the BRITISH WEAPONS OFFICER was currently intended to be gay.** My mistake. > [@](#): > > “That’s totally untrue. Well, I shouldn’t say totally untrue. . . One of these characters may turn out to be gay.” I thought he said “pregnant” refering to an episode. Do you have a cite? I can’t find the darn interview anymore. > [@](#): > > Now, perhaps the Engineer, good ol’ Charlie “Trip” Tucker, will be the first redneck gay character (that I’m aware of) in television history, certainly Star Trek history. > \*\* I hope not, being Southern, an engineer and straight. 🙂 BTW, if I promise not to say “queer”, will you promise not to say “redneck”? 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sevens-neural-patterns-have-disappeared-weve-lost-her/78624.md?page=3)