# Severe Hijack, about US borders, moved to pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2023, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949 "2023-08-23T01:52:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/321 "2023-08-26T11:31:03Z")
Didn’t we agree to mod stuff that turns your stomach? How are we not straight up banning someone who is advocating for indiscriminate mass murder? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/322 "2023-08-26T11:32:26Z")
How do I put someone with a “hidden” profile on ignore? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/323 "2023-08-26T12:43:21Z")
Go to your profile → preferences, and add them to your ignore list. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/324 "2023-08-26T14:57:12Z")
Ah yes! Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/325 "2023-08-26T18:36:47Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Now this is pure trolling from you. You’ve asserted that legally certain persons should not even be in the United States and thus it’s permissible to actually fire upon them in their attempt to enter the United States. Legally, certain persons (the entire population of the DPRK, in fact) are _required_ to remain in the DPRK, but when called out on their government’s position, you blather “Oh, that’s a morally bad law and should be changed.” _That’s_ your line in the sand? It’s not trolling, I take it, to note that _legal_ doesn’t mean _moral_ — or, if you prefer, to say something about not deriving an _ought_ from an _is?_ That’s a sentiment I’ve seen expressed plenty of times on this board; heck, it’s one that _I’ve_ previously mentioned on this board. I kind of thought it was a commonplace. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/326 "2023-08-26T18:49:07Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > > No, they can apply for asylum at another location. I’m telling them: _don’t do it at this location._ > > That’s not how the law works, and it obviously is not how the concept of asylum could ever possibly work. I was under the impression that folks can, in fact, apply for asylum at the border At A Port Of Entry. Heck, to quote the [ACLU,](https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/five-things-to-know-about-the-right-to-seek-asylum) _“under U.S. law, a person seeking asylum may do so by arriving at the border and asking to be screened by U.S. officials at a “port of entry,” or by entering the U.S. without prior inspection and then declaring their fear of persecution.”_ Is that not how the law works? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/327 "2023-08-26T18:59:54Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > How does it meet that definition? As far as I can tell, there’s a literal definition, which it does not meet, and a common metaphorical extension of that literal meaning, which it does meet. The metaphorical extension, which it does meet, takes advantage of the strongly negative connotations and other things that are informed by a political position or other interpretive lens. “Invasion” is only accurate if you accept those negative connotations. The link you post includes as one of its go-to examples _‘The town is gearing up for the annual tourist “invasion”’_, which doesn’t seem to run afoul of the literal and doesn’t seem to have a strongly negative connotation informed by the like of a political position — and, googling around, I see another dictionary in turn gives an example of _“Hundreds of squatters have invaded waste land in the hope that they will be allowed to stay”_ — but, putting examples aside for a moment, there’s everything from _“any encroachment or intrusion”_ and _“encroachment; trespass”_ to _“an intrusion or infringement”_ and _“infringement by intrusion”,_ as well as _“an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity”_. I would say it _is_ an incursion by a large number of people. I would say it _is_ an encroachment (in the sense of _intrusion onto another’s territory_ or _entry to another’s property without right or permission_) as well as trespass (in the sense of _an unwarranted or unlawful intrusion_, such as _hunters trespassing on farmland_, and then we’re back to examples). I realize this is getting into defining words in terms of words in terms of words — something about _Overrun,_ say, or _Unwelcome Intrusion Into Another’s Domain,_ or perhaps _Penetration Steadily By Taking Up Residence In_ — but, well, that genuinely seems to be how this word _is_ used. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/328 "2023-08-26T19:04:17Z")
That is how it is used by bigots and racists as reported by NPR. The meaning you are going for is not the common one, that you are falling for the meaning that extremists bigots are going for is telling. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/329 "2023-08-26T19:04:45Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Is that not how the law works? Yes, _by entering the U.S. without prior inspection and then declaring their fear of persecution_ is how the law works. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/330 "2023-08-26T19:05:25Z")
As noted, he is not a bright one. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/331 "2023-08-26T19:05:36Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Yes, _by entering the U.S. without prior inspection and then declaring their fear of persecution_ is how the law works Yes, but not if you stop them _before_ they enter the US without prior inspection, if they opt not to go the port of entry route. That’s why I would recommend going the port of entry route. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/332 "2023-08-26T19:08:06Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > That’s why I would recommend going the port of entry route. Yup, funnel them into a target rich kill zone. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/333 "2023-08-26T19:17:55Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > and, googling around, I see another dictionary in turn gives an example of _“Hundreds of squatters have invaded waste land in the hope that they will be allowed to stay”_ And the not bright quality of The Wanker shows up here, googling around I get that the meaning he is trying to shoe horn in the usual definition of “invade” is coming from an incomplete definition from the [Cambridge Dictionary](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/invade), The Wanker here omits that the complete secondary meaning is: “to enter a place in large numbers, usually when unwanted and in order to take possession **or do damage** :” Yep, he is that dense when trying to ignore that even that secondary meaning has very negative connotations. When one sees someone talking about “doesn’t seem to have negative connotations” that is what fascist nationalists say to defend their dog whistles. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/334 "2023-08-26T19:26:12Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Yep, he is that dense when trying to ignore that even that secondary meaning has very negative connotations. When one sees someone talking about “doesn’t seem to have negative connotations” that is what fascist nationalists say to defend their dog whistles. What are you talking about? When I said “doesn’t seem to have a strongly negative connotation informed by the like of a political position” — not merely “doesn’t seem to have negative connotations” — I explicitly said it in reference to the example Dr.Drake provided from Merriam-Webster. Go re-read what I wrote; you can’t miss it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/335 "2023-08-26T19:39:32Z")
Like if the accusations of Squatting are not lines that Republicans or Toffee nosed Brits use against the poor. The point about fascist nationalists minimizing the meaning of “invaders” when called for using that reprehensible usage against immigrants does stand, trying to justify it is what fascist nationalists do about their dog whistles. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/336 "2023-08-26T20:16:13Z")
> [@Trolls R Us Resurrections](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections/950518/10352): > > I thought I’d made it completely clear that I support using lethal force against those looking to illegally cross the border into the United States _and_ using lethal force against those looking to illegally cross the border into the Ukraine, and that I use the word “invaders” both times. > > Good heavens, man: I get that you’re against my _actual_ positions; you don’t need to rhetorically conclude yet _other_ positions to be against. You do realize that your _actual_ position is that Russian troops with tanks and women and children seeking asylum are equally deserving of death. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/337 "2023-08-26T20:17:40Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > You do realize that your _actual_ position is that Russian troops with tanks and women and children seeking asylum are equally deserving of death You do realize I was being accused of being simpatico with them, right? But not a word of criticism for the guy who guessed wrong. Amazing. (Also, how often does the phrase Deserve’s Got Nothing To Do With It get thrown around around here?) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/338 "2023-08-26T20:20:45Z")
Yep, and I will post here my reply to him in the Troll tread: Ok, seems that The Other Wanker of Popper is also trying to be stupid and to try to gaslight, what he was doing a few hours ago in this thread was an attempt of ‘who me? I’m not seeing the immigrants as murderers, no siree, why I’m going for what I think an invader means to me, it is not that bad’. Yeah, tell that to the Ukrainians. And Karl Popper is rolling in his grave after TOWP abused him all these years. As I mentioned, I will be wrong about him not having sympathies with invader Putin when he stops diluting what an invader **is**. While at the same time declaring that he sees what an invader really is (“that genuinely seems to be how this word _is_ used.”). That is only clarifying that he is going for the “tails you lose, heads I win” stupid argument. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/339 "2023-08-26T20:24:50Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > As I mentioned, I will be wrong about him not having sympathies with invader Putin when he stops diluting what an invader **is**. Someone to be gunned down? That’s your idea of sympathizing? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/340 "2023-08-26T20:29:08Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I realize this is getting into defining words in terms of words in terms of words — something about _Overrun,_ say, or _Unwelcome Intrusion Into Another’s Domain,_ or perhaps _Penetration Steadily By Taking Up Residence In_ — but, well, that genuinely seems to be how this word _is_ used. Or as others say: The other Wanker of Popper wants to have his cake and eat it too. Nah, besides that contradiction, his further clarification is that he is supporting the stochastic terrorist Republicans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949.md?page=18)