# Severe Hijack, about US borders, moved to pit
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 23, 2023, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949 "2023-08-23T01:52:39Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/21 "2023-08-23T02:22:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> If our country is nothing more than “I’ve got mine-Fuck you!” Them this country has nothing, period.
I may never understand why you rail against people who say “I’ve got mine, fuck you” while siding with people who say — what? — _I want mine, fuck you?_
People get told No You Don’t Have Permission To Do That. And then they, well, Do That. How are you not up in arms about this?
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/22 "2023-08-23T02:23:46Z")
Your question does not represent reality. Please rephrase.
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/23 "2023-08-23T02:24:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> Would you have us set up death traps for him?
That sure seems like a question that, if answered with a ‘yes’, could get me a warning or a suspension or a banning. I wonder why you asked it.
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/24 "2023-08-23T02:25:43Z")
Yes, read it again. And the point stands, Trump’s Republican “opponents” need to… well, oppose him if they want to be that.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/25 "2023-08-23T02:26:11Z")
You are the one that claimed you wanted both cases treated the same. My question is a natural response to what you said.
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/26 "2023-08-23T02:26:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> Your question does not represent reality. Please rephrase
People _really do_ get told No You Don’t Have Permission To Do That, and then they, well, really and truly _Do That._ I find that unacceptable; do you?
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/27 "2023-08-23T02:27:55Z")
I find denying refuge to asylum seekers to be unacceptable.
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/28 "2023-08-23T02:29:53Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#):
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> I say they’re here _without permission._ I say they’re doing this _without consent._ I say they’re _breaking the law._
So are you. Likely every day. They found that out- so many laws on the books, many people violate one or several every day. Look at traffic laws- you never go 1 mile above the speed limit?
And just so you know, and I have to make this clear- **Undocumented aliens are not breaking any law just by being here.** Perhaps by entering illegally, sure. But not just by being here.
> **[FINAL\_criminalizing\_undocumented\_immigrants\_issue\_brief\_PUBLIC\_VERSION.pdf](https://www.aclu.org/wp-content/uploads/legal-documents/FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf)**
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[https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/undocumented-immigrants-not-necessarily-criminal/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/undocumented-immigrants-not-necessarily-criminal/index.html)
So, you are wrong.
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/29 "2023-08-23T02:30:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> I find denying refuge to asylum seekers to be unacceptable
Do you find it to be “unacceptable” when someone who _isn’t_ an asylum seeker enters the country without permission?
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/30 "2023-08-23T02:33:26Z")
As far as most of the other candidates are concerned, I think they are walking a fine line between, “I am ready to jump to the head of the line if he is forced out of the race” and “I want to be VP if he stays in the race.”
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/31 "2023-08-23T02:59:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#):
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> So are you. Likely every day.
And, every time the authorities have asked me to pay up or serve time or whatever for doing so, I’ve done so. I don’t claim I’m entitled to break the law with impunity; I face the consequences.
> [@](#):
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> And just so you know, and I have to make this clear- **Undocumented aliens are not breaking any law just by being here.** Perhaps by entering illegally, sure. But not just by being here.
I don’t think your link says what you think it does; it apparently splits the hair of whether it’s a crime, not whether a law is being broken.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/32 "2023-08-23T03:04:01Z")
Oh goody, look where we are!
Listen, you xenophobic jagoff, you’re a stain on our nation, the sort of jackbooted racist shitwad that turns civilized societies into monstrous mobs. You don’t have the power to do that yet, but there’s no doubt that you’re voting for the proto-Nazis in our midst and supporting them through your dehumanizing rhetoric.
The sooner you’re out of here, the better. You deeply and profoundly suck.
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/33 "2023-08-23T03:06:21Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> You don’t have the power to do that yet, but there’s no doubt that you’re voting for the proto-Nazis in our midst
I voted for Biden; I plan on doing so again. Pray tell: who else do I vote for?
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/34 "2023-08-23T03:08:22Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#):
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> Pray tell: who else do I vote for?
Whoever tells you to shut the fuck up already with your insane xenophobic rantings, that’s pray tell who, choadmonkey.
Biden’s significantly better than Trump on immigration, in the way that diarrhea is significantly better than ebola. I’ll retract that one line, provisionally, and let the rest stand.
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/35 "2023-08-23T03:10:08Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> I’ll retract that one line, provisionally, and let the rest stand.
I figure you should retract the “racist” part, too, as I genuinely despise illegal aliens of all races equally.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/36 "2023-08-23T03:12:05Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#):
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> I figure you should retract the “racist” part
I figure you should eat shit and fuck off. Hey look we both figure things
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/37 "2023-08-23T03:13:13Z")
You were willing to provisionally retract one thing you figured wrong. You should be willing to provisionally retract another.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/38 "2023-08-23T03:13:41Z")
You should be willing to fuck off. Hey look we should both be willing
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/39 "2023-08-23T03:16:52Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#):
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> I say they’re _breaking the law._ That, to me, suffices.
Ah good The Pit.
Fucking asshole. You would probably have gladly turned in Anne Frank because “hey it’s the law”.
Shithead.
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [August 23, 2023, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/severe-hijack-about-us-borders-moved-to-pit/988949/40 "2023-08-23T03:19:04Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#):
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> I didn’t claim they are hurting me. Or helping me. I say they’re here _without permission_
Whose permission did your ancestors receive to enter this country? Show your work.
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