# Sex robots for Incels? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 12, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783 "2018-07-12T15:15:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/441 "2018-07-26T23:41:16Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > ETA: For an example of a radical idea, I’d say the notion that you have to be a perfect Adonis to ‘win’ a woman is a new and rather radical idea. Historically it’s been clear in fiction that anybody can ‘get the girl’ if they do the right things. Yes, well, fiction is called fiction for a reason: it’s fictional. And “getting the girl” by “doing the right things” is still entirely the wrong way of looking at it: try to do right, both to yourself and to others, not because that’s a Konami code that will unlock a vagina, but because people who try to do right are more attractive than those who don’t, or won’t. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/442 "2018-07-26T23:46:24Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Yes, well, fiction is called fiction for a reason: it’s fictional. And “getting the girl” by “doing the right things” is still entirely the wrong way of looking at it: try to do right, both to yourself and to others, not because that’s a Konami code that will unlock a vagina, but because people who try to do right are more attractive than those who don’t, or won’t. Oh, I’m not saying that these notions aren’t bullshit; I’m just saying that the incels didn’t have to get creative to invent them and they don’t have to engage in any form of hardcore social pressure to sell these ideas to people. The idea that women are prizes/property has been burned into our culture for centuries. Unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/443 "2018-08-01T01:34:47Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > It started with **monstro** ’s description of programming a companion robot like a video game. That just strikes me as the wrong way to look at it. I know there’s an idea that men love challenges, and women should provide a challenge to keep men interested, but I just don’t buy into that for relationships. I do like some challenges, but I find enough of them in my life already. I’m a man and I enjoy challenges. My GF likes to provide challenges to keep me interested. Last week she brought home a pair of “Rubik’s Panties”. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/444 "2018-08-03T13:04:37Z")
I came across an article that is startlingly relevant to this thread. Yes, I know that MGTOWs and Incels are not one and the same, but there is a good amount of overlap between the two. > **[MGTOWs dream of raping, beating sexbots that say no](https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2018/07/21/mgtows-dream-of-raping-beating-sexbots-that-say-no/)** > > By David Futrelle  There’s a scene in the sci-fi drama Humans in which an angry sexbot hits her breaking point. Disgusted by the demands of a john who wants her to act the part of a scared li… ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/445 "2018-08-03T13:32:38Z")
Yikes, I didn’t consider the possibility that a sexbot that was less than 100% docile and compliant could actually be more appealing to a rapist than to a non-rapist who just wants to simulate a relationship with someone. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/446 "2018-08-03T13:35:32Z")
Hmm… how long before they start making child sex dolls?  :( ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/447 "2018-08-03T14:21:31Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Yikes, I didn’t consider the possibility that a sexbot that was less than 100% docile and compliant could actually be more appealing to a rapist than to a non-rapist who just wants to simulate a relationship with someone. How do “rape” a non-sentient sexbot? How is this different, morally, from a human couple that are into BDSM? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/448 "2018-08-03T14:24:06Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > Hmm… how long before they start making child sex dolls?  :( Wouldn’t it be better that pedophiles focus their attention on child sex dolls than on actual children? Wouldn’t that be a good thing? ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/449 "2018-08-03T14:50:57Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Wouldn’t it be better that pedophiles focus their attention on child sex dolls than on actual children? Wouldn’t that be a good thing? _If_ that were the effect it might be a good thing. But it might just as easily have the opposite effect, and encourage their obsession with sex and real children. I feel very uncomfortable about the idea. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/450 "2018-08-03T15:50:26Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > How do “rape” a non-sentient sexbot? How is this different, morally, from a human couple that are into BDSM? I’m not saying you can rape a sexbot. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/451 "2018-08-03T16:05:48Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Wouldn’t it be better that pedophiles focus their attention on child sex dolls than on actual children? Wouldn’t that be a good thing? Sure! And anyone who rents/purchases a child sex doll will go on the permanent sex offender registry so everyone knows to keep their kid from the home of a person who wants to fuck a kid as close to legally and w/o repercussion as possible. And you register before ordering. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/452 "2018-08-03T16:33:54Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > Sure! And anyone who rents/purchases a child sex doll will go on the permanent sex offender registry so everyone knows to keep their kid from the home of a person who wants to fuck a kid as close to legally and w/o repercussion as possible. > And you register before ordering. Basically you want to punish people for Thought Crimes. I don’t think a free society should do that. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/453 "2018-08-03T17:54:30Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Yikes, I didn’t consider the possibility that a sexbot that was less than 100% docile and compliant could actually be more appealing to a rapist than to a non-rapist who just wants to simulate a relationship with someone. Wanna get really grossed out? Read Connie Willis’ story “All My Darling Daughters” for a look at what that road could lead to. Basically, in the story all the teenaged girls are getting upset because their boyfriends no longer want to have sex with them because they have these little bioengineered critters with vaginas in them that can’t resist or say no–that scream when you fuck them. Nightmare fuel, that. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/454 "2018-08-03T18:57:09Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Basically you want to punish people for Thought Crimes. I don’t think a free society should do that. What you think a free society \*should \*do is biased toward your desires instead of what’s best for society at large. You yourself think pedophiles are a threat, Mr Thought Police. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/455 "2018-08-03T21:22:44Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > Hmm… how long before they start making child sex dolls?  :( [About two years ago:](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japanese-company-manufactures-lifelike-child-sex-dolls-for-paedophiles-a6811046.html) I’m not linking to the company’s site, but you can Google “Trottla” if you want to be utter, viscerally repulsed. Just don’t do it anywhere near work, and don’t say I didn’t warn you. It’s vile. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/456 "2018-08-04T03:33:11Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Basically you want to punish people for Thought Crimes. I don’t think a free society should do that. And yet you want a free society to pay for your sex toys. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/457 "2018-08-04T04:04:33Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > [About two years ago:](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japanese-company-manufactures-lifelike-child-sex-dolls-for-paedophiles-a6811046.html) I’m not linking to the company’s site, but you can Google “Trottla” if you want to be utter, viscerally repulsed. Just don’t do it anywhere near work, and don’t say I didn’t warn you. It’s vile. Man, the world is a weirder place than I’d acknowledged. And I used to cover politicians. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/458 "2018-08-04T04:28:23Z")
Did you cover them with tar, then feathers? That’s really the only way to get rid of them. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/459 "2018-08-04T09:58:15Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > [About two years ago:](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japanese-company-manufactures-lifelike-child-sex-dolls-for-paedophiles-a6811046.html) I’m not linking to the company’s site, but you can Google “Trottla” if you want to be utter, viscerally repulsed. Just don’t do it anywhere near work, and don’t say I didn’t warn you. It’s vile. Some people are really sick. Japan has a serious problem with fetishization of young girls, and with pedophilia being semi-acceptable. Some articles: [Manufacture of child sex robots moves BBC investigative journalist to tears](https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/manufacture-of-child-sex-robots-moves-bbc-investigative-journalist-to-tears) > [@](#): > > Law enforcement agents note a correlation between the purchases of child sex dolls by individuals who have history of offenses against children. “(O)f the 128 dolls seized in the UK, 85 percent of the men who imported them were also found in possession of child pornography,” noted a press release from Rep. Donovan’s office. “Additionally, psychologists and researchers believe that these dolls reinforce, normalize, and encourage pedophilic behavior, potentially putting more children at risk to harm.” > > “In fact, emerging psychology on the topic says these obscene dolls encourage abuse of real children,” Rep. Donovan said in an op-ed in The Hill. “Peter Fagan from the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine recently told The Atlantic that child sex dolls likely have a ‘reinforcing effect’ on pedophiles, and “in many instances cause (the urge) to be acted upon with greater urgency.” [Japanese adults vent dark obsession with young girls at ‘little idols’ concerts](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/01/30/national/social-issues/japanese-adults-vent-dark-obsession-young-girls-little-idols-concerts/#.W2VzLvmFOHt) > [@](#): > > “Men idolizing young girls is relatively accepted in Japan,” says Himeno, citing “The Tale of Genji,” the 11th-century classic depicting a nobleman’s romantic relationships with women, as well as a small girl. > > For Ai’s manager, Hidenori Okuma, the men are attracted by the thought of contact with a “girl next door.” > > “Meeting and chatting with high school idols has become very popular,” says Okuma. “It’s now less embarrassing to admit you like young girls. Now they (male fans) say they prefer elementary school girls, without hesitation.” > … > > Japan’s battle against pedophilia is well-documented. The number of minors abused in child pornography has risen fivefold in the past decade, according to official figures. > > Police have failed to stamp out so-called JK (joshi kōsei — high school girls) businesses, which offer men services such as going for a walk with a teenage girl so the customers have a chance to negotiate for sex. [Is Japan turning a blind eye to paedophilia?](https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/57eaaf23-0cef-48c8-961f-41f2563b38aa) > [@](#): > > In the new BBC Three documentary, Young Sex For Sale in Japan, Stacey Dooley visits a JK cafe in Tokyo. > > “In this bar, £35 will get you forty minutes with a girl of your choice and unlimited booze,” she says. > > In some cafes, men can also pay for “walking dates” – time with the girls away from the cafe. What happens in that time is up to the girls and their clients. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783/460 "2018-08-04T10:23:08Z")
Just as there already seems to be a correlation between child sex dolls and offenses against real children, I’m sure there will be a correlation between violence against sexbots and violence against real women. It’s a no-brainer that incels who have sexbots will only be more encouraged to treat real women as objects - which is the cause of their problems in the first place. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sex-robots-for-incels/817783.md?page=24)