# SF that uses new tech for kinky purposes **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 26, 2004, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936 "2004-07-26T15:28:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/1 "2004-07-26T15:28:27Z")
I’m working on an essay about SF stories/movies/TV series which use new tech for kinky purposes, or which CAN be used for kinky purposes, particularly bondage. Frex, in “Queen of Angels” there are scenes dealing with people who’ve used biotech to place genital organs on their bodies, in places genitals don’t naturally occur. And in the SF movie “Deadlock” Mimi Rogers and Rutger Hauers wear a pair of electronic collars which can’t be removed and which will explode if they become separated by more than about a hundred meters. Can anybody think of any other examples? ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/2 "2004-07-26T16:14:41Z")
In **Brainstorm** , one of the characters sets things up so he could experience endless orgasms. Tanith Lee’s **The Silver Metal Lover** is about someone getting it on with a robot (though there are many other examples of that). ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/3 "2004-07-26T18:17:27Z")
Hmmmm…how about M. Christian? specifically “Bachelor Machine” a bunch of SF/porn stories…which weirdly enough actually work as SF _and_ porn…and sometimes even as literature :eek: . The first story in the book is about a future where androids are used for sex…and are considered so much better at it, the human prostitute in the story pretends to be a machine to earn the big bucks. The stories tend to have twists like that… Somewhere in the receses of my memory I recall a story about some mega-computer type thing that was running the world…and the tenders of the machine would run themselves through it, which appartently caused such soul obliterating pleasure that they only refered to themselves by a day of the week - that being the day they were allowed to go though again. Very disturbing story. I don’t suppose anybody know what it was? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/4 "2004-07-26T18:22:21Z")
I suppose you could include those “wirehead” stories by Larry Niven (and, following him, Spider Robinson), where an electrode is implanted directly into the Pleasure Center of the brain. For that matter, there must be a ton of Virtual Reality stories in which the technology is used for sexual situations, both in published stories and on the web. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/5 "2004-07-26T18:37:22Z")
In John Varley’s novels of life in the solar system after invaders take the earth away from us (Blue Champagne is the only title I remember), sex changes and body modification surgery is done on a whim with no social stigma attached. Several people have written of Matrix-style Virtual Reality setups, aside from, you know, The Matrix. In the movie Flash!, Ming the Merciless used something to drastically overstimulate Dale, prompting someone to point out that she responded even better than Ming’s daughter. Then there’s WestWorld… ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/6 "2004-07-26T18:54:07Z")
In his short-story anthology “Smoke & Mirrors”, Neil Gaiman wrote a story (name eludes me just now) in which a future-era scientist creates a serum that can rewrite a person’s DNA makeup. An unanticipated side effect being that imbibing it tends to cause a person’s sex to flip-flop (males become female, and vice versa). The scientist invented it as a radical cure for some disease, but the serum catches on as a social phenomenon - and changing sexes becomes a normal, even trendy thing to do. And then there’s the ‘orgasmatron’ from “Barbarella”. Death (supposedly) from super-orgasms! ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/7 "2004-07-26T18:56:54Z")
First thing I thought of were Barbarella and Sleeper. Do they count? Whoops, beat to it. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/8 "2004-07-26T19:03:42Z")
In the film “Strange Days” there’s a device that views and records your senses, allowing others to experience them and play them back. Users have sex and adventure memories, but there’s also a sub-black market in “Blackjack”, recordings made of people being killed, allowing the viewer to experience the victim’s death firsthand. At one point, a rapist attatches a recorder to his victim, so he can experience himself raping her from her POV as he rapes her. A very cool underrated movie set in the “old” future of 2000. ---
**Author:** ![noname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/58f4c7/32.png) [@noname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/noname)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/9 "2004-07-26T19:19:27Z")
“Demolition Man” comes to my mind. In it, Sly S and Sandra Bullock try to have sex by wearing helmets…I don’t remember what the technology was called or how it did (something about brain waves IIRC). ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/10 "2004-07-26T19:56:18Z")
I vaguely recall a short story where an irresistable topical aphrodesiac had been invented: any time you went out in public, a stranger who took a fancy to you might spray you and you’d instantly be in heat. Many stories feature genetically engineered sex creatures- human looking, semi-human, or animal. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/11 "2004-07-26T20:33:58Z")
David Brin’s recent novel, _Kiln People_, was about a society where cloning and thought transfers were routine technology. One of the uses this technology was put to was creating clones for sex. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/12 "2004-07-27T00:02:05Z")
> [@Menocchio](#): > > At one point, a rapist attatches a recorder to his victim, so he can experience himself raping her from her POV as he rapes her. I think it was wired the other way, actually - she was subjected to his POV and his pleasure while he raped her, and then she got to see herself being strangled to death. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/13 "2004-07-27T00:11:02Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > And in the SF movie “Deadlock” Mimi Rogers and Rutger Hauers wear a pair of electronic collars which can’t be removed and which will explode if they become separated by more than about a hundred meters. Maybe I’m just hopelessly vanilla, but I’m having trouble seeing the kinky possibilities in that particular technology. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/14 "2004-07-27T00:11:02Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > In John Varley’s novels of life in the solar system after invaders take the earth away from us (Blue Champagne is the only title I remember), sex changes and body modification surgery is done on a whim with no social stigma attached… _Steel Beach_ is one of my favorite Varley books. In it, the main character switches from a man to a woman and is even able to give birth. Also, nanotech plays a role in the story. ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/15 "2004-07-27T00:38:10Z")
In Scott Westerfield’s **Evolution’s Darling** , the sentient-robot main character passes the Turing point while having sex with his owner’s teenage daughter. Later in the book, there are some very detailed descriptions of him just about killing women with extreme pleasures available from his customized body-appliances. Really, at times that book is pure robot-porn. ---
**Author:** ![bughunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aeb1de/32.png) [@bughunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bughunter)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/16 "2004-07-27T00:44:15Z")
I’m particularly pleased to see you have read “Queen of Angels.” That’s one of my favorite modern SF novels. Have you also read it’s “sequel,” Slant? Well, let’s see, in Peter F. Hamilton’s _Night’s Dawn_ trilogy, there’s occasional mention of biotechnology and cybernetics in sexual contexts. The two that come to mind are a male porn star who is able to control the size of his member from normal to… well, abnormal, and another instance where an evil dominatrix gang leader skilled in biotech uses the promise of sexual organs transplanted from certain animals ('Hello, Willlllbur!") to motivate her male subjects. There was a novel by umm, Barnes I think, called “Street Lethal” about a drug that made sex extra pleasurable and therefore physically addictive. And there was a recent novel, which one I can’t remember, where one’s entire sensorium could be recorded by a device strapped to one’s ankle. The story followed a porn starlet who used this device. One of the first SF novels I read that incorporated a lot of sexual content was the Piers Anthony “Cluster” trilogy. As the primary means of transportation and communication, one’s personality was beamed around the galaxy into various bodies, either willing recipient hosts, or those recently dead or nearly so. So as an explorer, the hero gets beamed into the nearly dead bodies of strange alien species, and inevitably has sex in every one of them. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/17 "2004-07-27T01:17:14Z")
Iain M. Banks’ Culture series take place in a society where it’s considered routine for people to change sex, a voluntary process that takes them about a year to go through. In fact, Culture citizens have almost complete control of their bodies… they can shut off pain, they have genetically engineered glands that can secrete tailor-made drugs at will, they can hold a fetus in utero indefinitely, or even re-absorb it if desired. One story, from _Excession_, deals with two lovers, a man and a woman. They decide to both get pregnant, so the guy impregnates his woman, then she holds the fetus suspended as they both swap genders, and then the other is impregnated. Kinda weird stuff. A hedonist’s paradise. ---
**Author:** ![emekthian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecae2f/32.png) [@emekthian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emekthian)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/18 "2004-07-27T05:40:50Z")
In Minority Report, there’s a scene where John takes the precog to the place where people can have sensations artificially implanted into their brain. One guy is using it to experiance having sex (another guy wants to “pretend kill” his boss, but the guy in charge waves him off when he sees John coming). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/19 "2004-07-27T07:29:35Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > I’m working on an essay about SF stories/movies/TV series which use new tech for kinky purposes, or which CAN be used for kinky purposes, particularly bondage. Frex, in “Queen of Angels” there are scenes dealing with people who’ve used biotech to place genital organs on their bodies, in places genitals don’t naturally occur. _Hermetech_ by Storm Constantine uses this premise as a central feature - main character has several orifices implanted for use in multiple-partner prostitution, but it all leads to some sort of magick epiphany. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/20 "2004-07-27T07:34:55Z")
I’m surprised that someone hasn’t yet mentioned the feelies from _Brave New World_. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936.md?page=2)