# SF that uses new tech for kinky purposes **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 26, 2004, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936 "2004-07-26T15:28:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/21 "2004-07-27T15:18:03Z")
Did the BNW song go… “Kiss me, kiss me into a coma, Love’s as good as soma.” ? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/22 "2004-07-27T16:25:03Z")
Man, you guys are on top of things, alrighty. I SHOULDA remembered the Orgasmatron from Barbarella – and didn’t Barbarella and Duran Duran have sex by taking pills and holding hands in a funny scene? I will definitely have to check out Hermetech … sounds very much like Queen of Angels. I’ve read all the Culture novels, but it’s always been the AIs and the world habitats that fascinated me, so I guess the total body control passed me by. I saw Strange Days and I did like it, mainly because Juliet Lewis runs around virtually nekkid throughout the movie … buy I do remember that virtual rape thing … now that you’ve brought it up. I thought of a new one … Phillip Jose Farmer’s novel “The Flesh” or something to that effect featured a society of women who inject their guys with hormones that makes them grow antlers and become super-horny and they travel from town to town knocking up all the women as some sort of festival thing. There’s also a story, I think by Farmer, called “The Barn” where women are subjected to hormone and brainwashing treatment that’s designed to make them into pretty … cows. Otherwise, no dairy products on that planet. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/23 "2004-07-27T16:43:47Z")
> [@Terminus Est](#): > > I’m surprised that someone hasn’t yet mentioned the feelies from _Brave New World_. I’m downright amazed nobody’s mentioned the holodecks/holosuites from _Star Trek_. Although the implication was that the holosuites in Quark’s Bar could be used for sexual fantasy, none of the established characters were ever seen indulging. It’s yet another element that puts NextGen+ Trek firmly into the “kids show” catagory, ignoring anything that might be perfectly normal for adults, but too icky for the tots. Also, you never saw any really visceral violence (when presented, it was more on the level of a sanitized video game), even though the holodeck would be a perfectly good place to work off aggression. Now, if the guys on _Firefly_ had a holodeck… well, you’d never get Jayne outta there. He’d be shootin’ Alliance guys and screwin’ their women all the live-long day. ---
**Author:** ![eno801](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@eno801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eno801)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/24 "2004-07-27T17:04:52Z")
i recall a story by a female author in which there are these genetically engineered animals kind of like ferrets in size and appearance, but with a gaping wet orifice in the back. these where carried by most of the young men in the story and the narrator was commenting on how they ignored her and paid such lavish attention to these “pets”. it was never stated explictly, but you could kind of infer these things were used as sort of portable vaginas. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/25 "2004-07-27T17:05:33Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Maybe I’m just hopelessly vanilla, but I’m having trouble seeing the kinky possibilities in that particular technology. The OP said kinky sex and/or bondage. This would be bondage. So, Wild Wild West works, too, with the big pie-plate neck collars and the flyin’ buzz-saw of whirling death. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/26 "2004-07-27T17:17:50Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Tanith Lee’s **The Silver Metal Lover** is about someone getting it on with a robot (though there are many other examples of that). I think the robot sex thing is well on its way to becoming a fetish. IIRC I’ve seen websites devoted to it. ---
**Author:** ![SCSimmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@SCSimmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCSimmons)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/27 "2004-07-27T17:21:17Z")
> [@eno801](#): > > i recall a story by a female author in which there are these genetically engineered animals kind of like ferrets in size and appearance, but with a gaping wet orifice in the back. these where carried by most of the young men in the story and the narrator was commenting on how they ignored her and paid such lavish attention to these “pets”. it was never stated explictly, but you could kind of infer these things were used as sort of portable vaginas. :eek: I’d been thinking it was about time, after a year, to get a fresh sig. But maybe I should just change the thread link behind it … ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/28 "2004-07-27T17:42:09Z")
> [@](#): > > I thought of a new one … Phillip Jose Farmer’s novel “The Flesh” or something to that effect featured a society of women who inject their guys with hormones that makes them grow antlers and become super-horny and they travel from town to town knocking up all the women as some sort of festival thing. > > There’s also a story, I think by Farmer, called “The Barn” where women are subjected to hormone and brainwashing treatment that’s designed to make them into pretty … cows. Otherwise, no dairy products on that planet. The Farmer novel is just **Flesh** (no _The_). It’s what happens after Philip Jose Farmer reads Frazer’s **The Golden Bough**. The story is not by Farmer – it’s Piers Anthony’s **In the Barn** , and it’s in the second **Dangerous Visions** anthology. I’m pretty sure it showed up in an Anthony anthology, too. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/29 "2004-07-27T17:50:16Z")
I will definitely have to check Bachelor Machine out. I’ve got a book in my collection called “Eros in Orbit” which is SF sex stories, but they’re pretty darned godawful and to be honest I haven’t read them all. Or even, most of them. > [@CalMeacham](#): > > I suppose you could include those “wirehead” stories by Larry Niven (and, following him, Spider Robinson), where an electrode is implanted directly into the Pleasure Center of the brain. Yes, you could, but they aren’t very dramatic. Guy plugs himself into wall, sits in room, grins a lot. > [@CalMeacham](#): > > For that matter, there must be a ton of Virtual Reality stories in which the technology is used for sexual situations, both in published stories and on the web. Skinamax films have pretty thoroughly abused this device – there are several films out in which the idea of having sex via “Virtual Reality” is a pretty much magical technology that just functions as the basis for easily knittting together a bunch of sex scenes. “Virtual Girl” is probably the best of the lot, if only because it treats the virtual reality as a real technology instead of total magic, though there are magic elements to it. > [@Ethilrist](#): > > In the movie Flash!, Ming the Merciless used something to drastically overstimulate Dale, prompting someone to point out that she responded even better than Ming’s daughter. Are you sure you’re not thinking of Flesh Gordon? It had a similar scene with Dale Ardor subjected to an automated fondling machine. Barbarella and Sleeper count, especially Barbarella which WAS kinky. Remember when Barberella was tied up and attacked by the dolls? Or the people hanging from the ceiling? Or they guy in the glass aquarium who was being smoked? Sleeper – those party gas bubbles are a magic technology, so they count, but not for much. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/30 "2004-07-27T17:54:03Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Maybe I’m just hopelessly vanilla, but I’m having trouble seeing the kinky possibilities in that particular technology. Permit to elucidate. First of all, the collars do not NECESSARILY have to be wired to blow up when the partners separate – maybe they could give orgasms instead. Or they could be rigged to trigger orgasms whenever a person approaches another collar-wearer, or someone with a control unit. Lotsa potential here, sadly underused in the original story. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/31 "2004-07-27T18:16:44Z")
> [@bughunter](#): > > I’m particularly pleased to see you have read “Queen of Angels.” That’s one of my favorite modern SF novels. Have you also read it’s “sequel,” Slant? As a matter of fact, I have. Don’t remember much about it offhand. > [@](#): > > another instance where an evil dominatrix gang leader skilled in biotech uses the promise of sexual organs transplanted from certain animals ('Hello, Willlllbur!") to motivate her male subjects. The old Hello Willllbur! ploy. > [@](#): > > There was a novel by umm, Barnes I think, called “Street Lethal” about a drug that made sex extra pleasurable and therefore physically addictive. It’s not? ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/32 "2004-07-27T18:30:24Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > _Steel Beach_ is one of my favorite Varley books. In it, the main character switches from a man to a woman and is even able to give birth. Also, nanotech plays a role in the story. Heck, the first line of _Steel Beach_ is my favorite first line in a novel ever: > [@](#): > > “In five years the penis wiil be obsolete,” said the salesman. > > He paused to let this planet-shattering information sink into our amazed brains. Personally, I didn’t know how many more wonders I could absorb before lunch. > > “With the right promotional campaign,” he went on, breathlessly, “it might take as little as two years.” > > He might even have been right. Stranger things have happened in my lifetime. ---
**Author:** ![Bren\_Cameron\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@Bren\_Cameron\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bren_Cameron_1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/33 "2004-07-27T20:56:09Z")
> [@eno801](#): > > i recall a story by a female author in which there are these genetically engineered animals kind of like ferrets in size and appearance, but with a gaping wet orifice in the back. these where carried by most of the young men in the story and the narrator was commenting on how they ignored her and paid such lavish attention to these “pets”. it was never stated explictly, but you could kind of infer these things were used as sort of portable vaginas. _All My Darling Daughters_, or something like that, anyway. Connie Willis. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/34 "2004-07-27T20:56:42Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > Permit to elucidate. First of all, the collars do not NECESSARILY have to be wired to blow up when the partners separate – maybe they could give orgasms instead. Or they could be rigged to trigger orgasms whenever a person approaches another collar-wearer, or someone with a control unit. Lotsa potential here, sadly underused in the original story. Just curious if that was presented as part of the story that was never explored, or if its your own extrapolation from the idea of putting people into high-tech collars. If it were the latter, I’d question how applicable it it to your own OP. I mean, by that standard, you could include Star Wars, because Luke _could_ have used his force powers to make Leia his love-slave. He just didn’t. I’m surprised the thread has got this far without anyone bringing up Heinlein’s waterbeds. ---
**Author:** ![Ghanima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Ghanima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ghanima)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/35 "2004-07-27T23:33:51Z")
> [@](#): > > …didn’t Barbarella and Duran Duran have sex by taking pills and holding hands in a funny scene? Actually, it was Dildano, not Duran Duran. (heehee! dildano!) Mona Lisa Overdrive: virtual reality recordings of sex Also, one of his characters (Molly, also known as Sally shears) workes as a prostitute in a house where they “turn off” your brain so that you can’t remember the experience and submit to whatever kinky shit the customer wants, and you won’t remember it. Can’t remember which book this is in. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/36 "2004-07-27T23:50:54Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Just curious if that was presented as part of the story that was never explored, or if its your own extrapolation from the idea of putting people into high-tech collars. If it were the latter, I’d question how applicable it it to your own OP. I mean, by that standard, you could include Star Wars, because Luke _could_ have used his force powers to make Leia his love-slave. He just didn’t. > > I’m surprised the thread has got this far without anyone bringing up Heinlein’s waterbeds. I’m looking for tech which could readily be used for kinky purposes, which the Force isn’t, beiing magical in nature. I did some wild-ass extrapolation about a certain love slave I called [Princess Gaia](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=%22Princess+Gaia%22+%22Jolly+Roper%22&btnG=Search) in a story I wrote, which is an example of new tech used for bondage,. (Note, I used a two-step link because the illo for the story is SOOOOO not safe for work. Or suitable for kids.) Your point about how wide a net to cast is clear. I’d say instances where the potential of the tech for kinky stuff is clear and obvious. I’d say tech additions to collars, already a part of bondage gear, would fall in that category. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/37 "2004-07-27T23:57:41Z")
> [@Ghanima](#): > > Actually, it was Dildano, not Duran Duran. (heehee! dildano!) > > Mona Lisa Overdrive: virtual reality recordings of sex > > Also, one of his characters (Molly, also known as Sally shears) workes as a prostitute in a house where they “turn off” your brain so that you can’t remember the experience and submit to whatever kinky shit the customer wants, and you won’t remember it. Can’t remember which book this is in. That’s right, Duran Duran was the evil guy who built the Orgasmatron, Dildano was the semi-heroic young rebel guy. Just got their names confused. If certain rock groups hadn’t borrowed their name from the movie, this error would never have occurred. I used a similar them to the one in Mona Lisa Overdrive, except that bad guys could implant neurotech in their victims which would override their brains and make them do whatever their owners liked, while the owner of the body is a helpless passenger. Widely used in white slavery, in my story. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/38 "2004-07-28T00:25:38Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve read all the Culture novels, but it’s always been the AIs and the world habitats that fascinated me, so I guess the total body control passed me by. Yeah, Banks doesn’t put a lot of focus on the hedonism. It’s more of a background feature… but sex is referenced a LOT as kind of fluff between characters in _Excession_. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/39 "2004-07-28T00:28:28Z")
Dan Simmons’ Hyperion/Endymion saga showed an interesting use of the farcaster portals (though, not kinky). Extremely wealthy types could have the portals installed in their homes so that different rooms could be on different planets. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/40 "2004-07-28T03:37:58Z")
Right up your alley should be many of the works of **Jack L. Chalker**. He’s pretty clearly obsessed with bondage, and it shows up in various ways in many of his books, usually aided by technology and/or magic. And on the subject of fantasy, as opposed to scifi, there’s the magical bondage collar from the **Wizard’s First Rule** series. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936.md?page=3)