# SF that uses new tech for kinky purposes **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 26, 2004, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936 "2004-07-26T15:28:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/41 "2004-07-28T08:25:06Z")
> [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > Did the BNW song go… > “Kiss me, kiss me into a coma, > Love’s as good as soma.” > > ? ''Hug me till you drug me, honey; Kiss me till I’m in a coma; Hug me, honey, snuggly bunny; Love’s as good as soma." ---
**Author:** ![Galanthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Galanthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galanthus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/42 "2004-07-28T10:02:41Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I vaguely recall a short story where an irresistable topical aphrodesiac had been invented: any time you went out in public, a stranger who took a fancy to you might spray you and you’d instantly be in heat. “Switch Bitch” by Roald Dahl ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/43 "2004-07-28T11:24:41Z")
> [@Ghanima](#): > > Also, one of his characters (Molly, also known as Sally shears) workes as a prostitute in a house where they “turn off” your brain so that you can’t remember the experience and submit to whatever kinky shit the customer wants, and you won’t remember it. Can’t remember which book this is in. It was in Neuromancer that she told the story of her prostitution days, and what went wrong. But the House of Blue Lights was also mentioned in the Gibson short story Burning Chrome, which is set before the events in Neuromancer. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/44 "2004-07-28T11:54:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Man, you guys are on top of things, alrighty. I SHOULDA remembered the Orgasmatron from Barbarella – and didn’t Barbarella and Duran Duran have sex by taking pills and holding hands in a funny scene? To nitpick, IIRC, the Orgasmatron was the name of the device in Woody Allen’s movie **Sleeper** (which I don’t think has been mentioned yet in this thread). I don’t recall what the device was called in **Barbarella** , if anything. One reviewer called it “a real sex organ” (since it looks kinda like an organ). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/45 "2004-07-28T11:55:20Z")
> [@Ghanima](#): > > Also, one of his characters (Molly, also known as Sally shears) workes as a prostitute in a house where they “turn off” your brain so that you can’t remember the experience and submit to whatever kinky shit the customer wants, and you won’t remember it. Can’t remember which book this is in. Gibson’s Neuromancer - she relates waking up in the middle of what was essentially a snuff scene where the client had her killing another girl with her razornails. Molly also appears in Johnny Mnemonic IIRC. > [@Evil Captor](#): > > Are you sure you’re not thinking of Flesh Gordon? It had a similar scene with Dale Ardor subjected to an automated fondling machine. Nope, I can attest it’s in Flash, not Flesh, as I’ve never seen the latter, and I reacall it. Weird light from a jewelled ring, I recall… ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecccb3/32.png) [@Evil\_Death](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Death)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/46 "2004-07-28T12:37:57Z")
> [@bughunter](#): > > Well, let’s see, in Peter F. Hamilton’s _Night’s Dawn_ trilogy, there’s occasional mention of biotechnology and cybernetics in sexual contexts. The two that come to mind are a male porn star who is able to control the size of his member from normal to… well, abnormal, and another instance where an evil dominatrix gang leader skilled in biotech uses the promise of sexual organs transplanted from certain animals ('Hello, Willlllbur!") to motivate her male subjects. You forgot the single most-mentioned fucknology in the series; neural implants that can be used to postpone orgasm for as long as you want. BTW, in case anybody was confused the movie with Mimi Rogers and Rutger Hauer is Wedlock, not Deadlock. “Deadlocked” is the title of the 1995 sequel, but neither Hauer nor Rogers feature in it. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/47 "2004-07-28T13:27:35Z")
In _Gun, with occasional music_ by Jonathan Lethem, the main character (a private detective) has had his nerve-endings rewired so that. although he still has male genitalia, he experiences sex as his wife would and vice versa (then his wife leaves him and he’s stuck that way). They also have animals that have been modified so that they are similar to humans, but sex with them is taboo and only mentioned in passing. In The Larry Niven ‘Known Space’ series, there’s the _tasp_, which is like wireheading, except that it acts remotely on a person’s pleasure centres and can be used to enslave them. ---
**Author:** ![Ghanima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Ghanima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ghanima)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/48 "2004-07-28T16:15:47Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > And on the subject of fantasy, as opposed to scifi, there’s the magical bondage collar from the Wizard’s First Rule series. OH MY GAWD!..after I read this 80+ page “scene”, I became convinced that Terry Goodkind is a _total_ bottom. I swear, if the first book had not contained this amazing and kinky twist, I don’t think I would have read the rest. He never did manage to do as well, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/49 "2004-07-28T22:17:12Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > I suppose you could include those “wirehead” stories by Larry Niven (and, following him, Spider Robinson), where an electrode is implanted directly into the Pleasure Center of the brain. And don’t forget the ‘Tasp’ which does much the same thing at a distance in the same series. Some folks like to shoot folks at the park with it for fun, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/50 "2004-07-28T22:18:53Z")
And I failed to see Mangetout’s post how, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/51 "2004-07-28T22:59:59Z")
> [@Mr. Miskatonic](#): > > And I failed to see Mangetout’s post how, exactly? I’m not sure, but I’d like to add that we mustn’t forget the “tasp” from Niven’s posts, which provided for remote stimulation of the pleasure centers and could be used to enslave those who find pleasure pleasurable. ---
**Author:** ![bughunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aeb1de/32.png) [@bughunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bughunter)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2004, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/52 "2004-07-29T00:46:41Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > Phillip Jose Farmer’s novel… Most everything I read by Farmer involved one sexual fetish after another. He’s second only to Piers Anthony as far as wringing the most sex out of SF. Try finding [Dare](http://www.pjfarmer.com/darethumbs.htm). There’s also the renowned erotica-SF series [The Journal Entries](http://www.drizzle.com/~elf/) by Elf Sternberg. (Warning, NSFW, nor for anyone not willing to read bisexual erotica.) In a nutshell, a genetic engineer goes down on Gaia and in return is granted the ability to create an entire planet full of furry fetish races to have sex with. (That description really does it an injustice, even though it’s technically true.) Frank Herbert explored sex a little in the Dosadi Experiment, where two characters telepathically link while making love. Also, in Hellstrom’s Hive, where the hive uses, erm… just the essential parts of reproduction… and also breeds an assassin whose pheromones make men exhaust themselves in bed with her… fatally. And also mentions Tleilaxu (sp?) genetic engineered sex workers in Dune. Hm… I’m sure I’ll recall more, later… Like the “pleasure model” replicants in Blade Runner/DADOES? ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2004, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/53 "2004-07-29T02:56:25Z")
I was thinkig of a human/android sex scene in the first of Piers Anthony’s Apprentice Adept series (between Stile and Sheen), but I’m pretty sure that’s not what you’re looking for. However - Dean Koontz’s book Demon Seed uses technology for kinky purposes. It’s a typically bad Koontz book, and it’s been reissued in the last couple years to be more “contemporary” - but it’s still pretty bad. I believe it was made into a movie a number of years ago as well - starring Julie Christie, if memory serves. ANYhow - the lady has a plug-in device that seems to be a precursor to VR technology, and she uses it to get her jollies. Then, I think it becomes possessed or something and it’s all downhill from there. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2004, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/54 "2004-07-29T05:39:40Z")
> [@bughunter](#): > > Most everything I read by Farmer involved one sexual fetish after another. He’s second only to Piers Anthony as far as wringing the most sex out of SF. Well, I have Anthony’s **Pornucopia** which is the least erotic erotic book I’ve ever read. Farmer is much better (IMO, of course.) Arthur C. Clarke (of all people) has one - _Patent Pending_ in **Tales from the White Hart**. This is about a machine which can record sensations, specifically sex. It was published originally in 1954. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936/55 "2004-08-04T21:57:53Z")
\*Mindbridge–\*another by Haldeman. “The Barbie Murders” in Varley’s \*Picnic on Nearside–\*the characters are altered to be genderless, but put on fake pubic hair etc. Now _that’s_ kinky. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sf-that-uses-new-tech-for-kinky-purposes/256936.md?page=2)