Shady self-dealing by Ilhan Omar

It is phrases like this

that you drop into conversations that cause people to wonder as to which way your political winds blow.

The point I made is the one you know that I made. You may disagree with it, but there is no need to ask me again what that was.

…nope. I still have no clue what point you were trying to make. If I had a clue then I wouldn’t be asking. How can I “disagree” with your point when I don’t even know what your point was?

So there is a need for me to ask you again what the point of that “sarcasm” was. You aren’t obligated to tell me, but you can’t blame me for asking.

Then I seriously doubt your reading comprehension. I am not being snide, and I’m not trying to insult you, but I really do. But then, it very well may be that I lack the ability to make a point clearly, here or elsewhere. But I’m not going to repeat myself. It’s all there in my first post.

Now, for the record, I just went and looked up the definition of hyperbole. In fact, hyperbole describes perfectly what I did in my comment about the six people. So, in fact, I will repeat myself a bit in saying that I was exaggerating to make a point. No one outside of Minnesota gives a damn about this story in regards to how they will vote for Trump. As Tip O’Neill famously said, and I tend to agree with, all politics is local.

But Banquet Bear, I must ask you, in your first post to me, you describe what I said as ridiculous hyperbole. Well, isn’t all hyperbole ridiculous? That’s the whole point of hyperbole. Since that’s the case, it seems to me you thought I was exaggerating, right? If that’s the case, wasn’t my point obvious? That I think only very few people care about this story?

I did no such thing. :roll_eyes: For the record, on at least 80 percent of issues, I believe Democrats are right and Republicans are wrong. And that’s not even factoring in the indecency and antidemocratic actions of the GOP, that cannot just be made a part of the right-wrong percentage. But decent, anti-Trump conservatives like those in the Lincoln Project are right about a substantial minority of issues, and saying so is considered blasphemous by so many of you.

I’m a fair arbiter, I call them as I see them. I don’t just support the “party line” on something out of conformity. But look at your example. How can anyone look at that post, or others I made in that thread, and think I lean more toward the GOP than the DNC? I just got done watching MIchelle Obama’s closing speech from tonight’s DNC convention, tears streaming down my face, and went everywhere I could (Twitter, Facebook, here) to trumpet what an incredible speech it was, and linked to the full video so others could see it as well. That I also acknowledge my political opponents make good points from time to time, and that not every Democrat is someone to celebrate, should give me more credibility, not less!

For the record, without actual examples this means nothing.

If one were to say, purely as an example,
“I believe Hitler is wrong 80% of the time, but I like what he’s doing in Auschwitz!
the specific is far more important than the general.
CMC

Fine.

Democrats are right about:

–raising taxes significantly on the wealthy
–raising the minimum wage to at least $15/hr.
–moving away from coal and petroleum to clean energy
–using OSHA to strictly regulate businesses and protect worker safety
–welcoming immigrants from our southern border and seeking a path to citizenship for them
–protecting the right to contraception and safe, legal first trimester abortion
–guaranteeing health care for all by filling in the gaps in coverage (not so much single payer/MFA)
–increasing funding for education, including teacher pay
–seeking equity in access to the vote in terms of how many polling places there are in urban vs. rural areas, and how long people have to wait in line
–standing up strongly for the rights of the accused to legal representation and a fair trial, and the rights of the convicted to have humane conditions and to avoid cruel and unusual punishment
–standing up (in most cases–it gets a little wobbly on some gender and race issues) for policies based on science, data, and logic
–funding a robust and competent FEMA to deal with disasters
–funding nutrition programs so no one in this country has to go hungry
–funding public housing to fight homelessness

Mainstream Democrats also are generally very good on foreign policy and defense, although there is a strong faction on the left of the party that is not so good.

Democrats are often “not great, Bob” when it comes to:

–exaggerating the threat Black people face of being killed by police
–insisting school districts allow teenagers with penises and testicles to be able to change in the girls’ locker room rather than in a neutral location (like a private bathroom in the office)
–fighting for the right to elective late term abortion
–opposing voter ID and trying to implement vote by mail even in non-pandemic times

Again, on balance it’s no contest: mainstream Democrats are WAY better than Republicans. But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to criticize them in areas where I disagree. Which, BTW, is something the progressive wing does ALL THE TIME. But it’s okay to criticize from the left edge of the party, but not the center or right edge, I guess. :roll_eyes:

No, not ‘fine’. That wasn’t the question.
The question was ‘What’s the 20% that the Republicans get right?’
CMC

Less than 20%. And I would think you could figure it out by extrapolation.

But “fine”:

—opposing the kind of school transgender DOE rules I was talking about
—opposing late term abortion (OTOH, they are wrong to oppose first trimester abortion, so you could call this one a tie)
—having a different idea about where the most substantial danger of mirder lies for the average Black person in America
—believing that it is important to forcibly put down riots and stop looting, even if it’s “just property”
—supporting people like that Google engineer who expressed (IMO valid) skepticism that it is actually sexism keeping the numbers of women engineers low

Before Trump, I also would have credited Republicans with generally being smarter about trade, although there was a definite mix of views in each party. This is actually a shift in my own position. 15 or 20 years ago, I tended to agree with the Dick Gephardt framing that globalization was causing a “race to the bottom” and making everyone poorer except a very tiny slice of megarich people. But the facts have come in, and they paint a clear picture: it has actually lifted literally billions of people out of poverty, so I changed my mind to fit the new facts I ingested.