# Shaggy & Scooby Vs. The Lord Of The Nazgul **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 21, 2003, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271 "2003-12-21T04:41:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/1 "2003-12-21T04:41:31Z")
This evening, I found a copy of the old animated _Return Of The King_ DVD in a dump box for $7. I bought it, if only to have a copy of the great Orc marching song, “Where There’s A Whip, There’s A Way.” HAD to play it for the family, when we got home. Wang-Kette snickered. Mrs. Ka sat there with her mouth open in shock the whole time. Was great. …but then, we decided to poke around on the disc a little further. Check out various songs and scenes. And the voices… well… the voices began to … GET to me. Cognitive dissonance. Confusion. Deep weirdness. Bilbo and Frodo are both done by Orson Bean, and Gandalf is done by John Huston, and that’s okay. Hell, John Huston sounds more like Gandalf than Ian McKellen does. …but Samwise immediately made me think _Planet Of The Apes_ for some reason. I don’t know why, but I kept thinking about talking monkeys. It took me a minute to realize that the voice was Roddy McDowell. Elrond, on the other hand, I found… disturbing. I kept expecting him to outline a plan vhere ve vill get dat stupid moose and squirrel. I checked the credits. Yup. Paul Frees, best remembered as the voice of Boris Badenov, from the old _Rocky & Bullwinkle_ show. It got worse. Denethor’s voice is provided by William Conrad, best remembered from his old cop shows, _Jake & The Fat Man,_ and _Cannon._ Weird, hearing a big fat man’s voice coming out of that little skinny old dude. …but when the battle of Pellenor Field breaks out, it’s every man for himself. Most of the rest of the voices seem to be provided by the cast of _Scooby Doo, Where Are You?_ Don Messick seems to be providing several voices, and Merry’s voice is the very distinctive Shaggy… aka Casey Kasem. It’s a damn weird thing to hear Shaggy up there, spouting Tolkien’s florid prose. I kept expecting Pippin to reply, “Eheeheehee! Right, Raggy!” What’s worse, both hobbits are in the thick of it when the Witch-King of Angmar shows up. I have no idea who provided the voice, but it was the same guy who always did the monster on _Scooby Doo_ when the monster shrieked or did a high-pitched banshee cackle. This actor did a very similar voice for Starscream on the old _Transformers_ cartoon, and may be the least attractive voice I’ve ever heard out of a human, the vocal equivalent of fingernails down a blackboard. Fortunately, we don’t have to listen to the Witch King for very long, before Pippin trips over a rope and bowls him over, and Merry accidentally drops a bathtub on him, and then Eowyn pulls his mask off to reveal that the Witch King is actually Farmer Maggot, who’s still pissed off at Merry and Pippin about those carrots… Man, where did my suspension of disbelief go? ---
**Author:** ![BuckleberryFerry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BuckleberryFerry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BuckleberryFerry)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/2 "2003-12-21T04:47:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Master Wang-Ka \* > **It’s a damn weird thing to hear Shaggy up there, spouting Tolkien’s florid prose. I kept expecting Pippin to reply, "Eheeheehee! Right, Raggy!"** I nearly wet myself with laughter at this mental image…I so need to rent this/buy it with any Christmas money I aquire… ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/3 "2003-12-21T04:54:30Z")
Seven bucks in the electronics section… Wal-Mart. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/4 "2003-12-21T04:55:02Z")
William Conrad was also the narrator on _Rocky & Bullwinkle_ and played Matt Dillon in the original radio version of _Gunsmoke_. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/5 "2003-12-21T04:56:35Z")
I knew about Matt Dillon, but not about R&B… although, now that I think about it, you’re right, aren’t you? Another reason I kept thinking about stupid moose and squirrel… ---
**Author:** ![BuckleberryFerry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BuckleberryFerry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BuckleberryFerry)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/6 "2003-12-21T04:58:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Master Wang-Ka \* > \*\*Seven bucks in the electronics section… Wal-Mart. > > 🙂 \*\* Let’s hope they’re still there around New Year’s. ::insert excitement:: ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/7 "2003-12-21T13:55:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Master Wang-Ka \* > \*\* > What’s worse, both hobbits are in the thick of it when the Witch-King of Angmar shows up. I have no idea who provided the voice, but it was the same guy who always did the monster on _Scooby Doo_ when the monster shrieked or did a high-pitched banshee cackle. This actor did a very similar voice for Starscream on the old _Transformers_ cartoon, and may be the least attractive voice I’ve ever heard out of a human, the vocal equivalent of fingernails down a blackboard \*\* Could that have been Frank Welker? He’s done zillions of voices, and he’s done them for Scooby and the Transformers over the years. [http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0919798/](http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0919798/) ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/8 "2003-12-21T15:00:46Z")
Welker’s name wasn’t in the credits. I’m betting it was Don Messick, who was also on Scooby and has made a living doing zillions of voices over the years. Not that I particularly wanted to know whose voice that was. It kind of sounds like Hans Conried, with a bad cold, after having taken a lungful of helium. Eesh… ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecccb3/32.png) [@Evil\_Death](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Death)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/9 "2003-12-21T15:34:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BuckleberryFerry \* > \*\*I nearly wet myself with laughter at this mental image…I so need to rent this/buy it with any Christmas money I aquire… \*\* Consider yourself lucky. I read the thread title and expected this: WITCH-KING: No mortal man can defeat me! SCOOBY: Rrrrri’m a rrrrog! _SCOOBY yanks off the Witch-King’s helm_ SHAGGY: Yoinks! DAPHNE and VELMA: Old Man Smithers! FRED: You planned to destroy the world of Men by scaring away all the soldiers. WITCH-KING: It would have worked, too, if it weren’t for you meddling kids! ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/10 "2003-12-21T15:39:18Z")
Yep, I had exactly the same reaction when I saw this a while ago: “jinkies Gandalf!!” ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/11 "2003-12-21T18:25:30Z")
I prob’ly shooda mentioned that the voices of the bad guys – various orcs, wraiths, and so forth – are the same voices we all grew up with as the various bad guys on Scooby Doo. Except the Mouth Of Sauron. I’m not a hundred percent, but he sounded a LOT like the original Zorak, from the old Space Ghost series… ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/12 "2003-12-21T19:16:58Z")
And Pippin (or was it Merry?) looked like Mister Potato Head. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/13 "2003-12-21T19:36:04Z")
ALL the hobbits kind of looked like Mister Potato Head, except for Frodo, who looked like Mister Potato Head With Huge Brown Eyes. BuckleberryF, you’ll recognize it by the horrible box art. It’s the only animated film I’ve ever seen with box art WORSE than the animation art… ---
**Author:** ![Tremmie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Tremmie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tremmie)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/14 "2003-12-21T19:46:39Z")
I don’t know if this is ok or not, but for those of you who really wanna hear the “If there is a whip there is a way song” [Enjoy 🙂](http://www.brotherhood-of-bob.com/wheretheresawhip.mp3) ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/15 "2003-12-21T19:58:11Z")
Thanks to Google, here’s a huge bunch of [screen shots](http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/tolkien/return-of-the-king.html) of this classic animated trainwreck. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/16 "2003-12-21T20:28:35Z")
Special bonus: [Pantless Aragorn.](http://hobbit.bitofearth.net/images/bakshi3.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/17 "2003-12-21T21:01:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Master Wang-Ka \* > **Welker’s name wasn’t in the credits.** If it was the same guy that did the voice of Starscream on _The Transformers_, then it was **not** Frank Welker. Starscream was voiced by **Chris Latta** , who also provided the equally-annoying voice of Cobra Commander on _G.I. Joe_. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/18 "2003-12-21T21:04:15Z")
Ooh! Even better! – [The Pantless Aragorn Action Figure!](http://www.bugeyedmonster.com/toys/lotr/lotr/aragorn.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/19 "2003-12-21T22:48:24Z")
Man, **squeegee** , that is just _so_ wrong! ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271/20 "2003-12-21T22:53:39Z")
Yep. Um, I should probably have mentioned that Pantless Aragorn is from the Bakshi, not Rankin-Bass, version of Bizzaro-Tolkien-World. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaggy-scooby-vs-the-lord-of-the-nazgul/220271.md?page=2)