# Shagnasty and the Worst Anecdote in SDMB History **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2005, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468 "2005-02-17T02:49:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/1 "2005-02-17T02:49:22Z")
Been a long time since I pitted another poster. Usually, if I have a disagreement with someone on the boards, I try to keep it in the thread what spawned the disagreement. But this… oh, this needs to be shared. Because it is so exquisitly stupid. It comes from [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302338&page=1&pp=50) monstrosity of a thread, which already was not lacking for idiocy, a fact for which I myself am more than a little responsible. It’s a dumb thread, ladies and gentlemen, and it’s really not worth slogging through eleven pages (and counting) to get the whole context. I don’t think it’s necessary, anyway, because the post really stands on its own. Check this shit out: > [@Shagnasty](#): > > Here is one for you. This is 100% true. > > My wife’s friend since childhood, Suzie was out of a job and very depressed that she hadn’t had a date in over a year. My wife helped her by giving her a job at the booth at the Fancy Food show in NYC one summer. For some reason, one of my wife’s customers became fascinated with her at the show. He was an attractive, 35 year old man, and a multi-millionaire that established his own dessert manufacturing company that suplies restaurants all over the U.S. > > He asked Suzie out and she gladly accepted. They went to a swanky Beer and Wine bar and Manhattan and were hitting it off pretty well. The waiter came over and asked for drink orders. John ordered and expensive glass of wine. Suzie looked up and said “Oh, I don’t really care for beer or wine. I think that I will just have a glass of milk.” > > Scrrrreeeechhhh! They finished the date but blew her chance because she showed herself as an unsophisticated simpleton (which she is). > > The moral to that story is that you have the right to eat and drink whatever you want but don’t be surprised when people judge you negatively for your simpleton ways. It’s almost… beautiful, in its perfect idiocy. It’s like the Platonic Ideal of a dumb post. Not only does it fail to prove the point he’s trying to make, it actually supports the other side, _and_ it makes him look like a shallow, immature asshole for sharing it in the first place. Congratulations, **Shagnasty**! You hit the trifecta! ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Tonya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/4491bb/32.png) [@Queen\_Tonya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Tonya)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/2 "2005-02-17T02:58:16Z")
I dunno, maybe I’m missing some oomph and oughta read thru the eleventy-seven posts to gain some context? I’m not seeing that in any way but how **Shag** portrayed it, there’re certain expectations of sophistication that accompany adulthood. This is startling news?! ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/3 "2005-02-17T03:11:00Z")
I always liked that story and most people get a kick out of it when it comes up. Even Suzie laughs about it now. I think that it could be the basis for a cute Saturday Night Live skit. Oh well, some people can’t see the ridiculous because they are living it themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/4 "2005-02-17T03:19:41Z")
> [@Queen Tonya](#): > > I dunno, maybe I’m missing some oomph and oughta read thru the eleventy-seven posts to gain some context? > > I’m not seeing that in any way but how **Shag** portrayed it, there’re certain expectations of sophistication that accompany adulthood. This is startling news?! Let me 'splain… No, that would take too long…let me sum up: One side (which includes Miller and myself, as well as the OP) believes that people should all be allowed to eat whatever they want, without being judged by other people for their idiosyncrasies - be it that they have allergies, gag when they taste certain flavors, or simply don’t like a particular food. The other side (which really doesn’t include most of the pittees…) believes that we “non-foodies” should shut up and eat everything, anywhere, anytime, regardless of whether we like it, or even if it would make that person ill. It’s rude to turn down food offered by a host, regardless of the reason. Miller is saying that **Shag’s** post actually shows how goofy the foodie argument is by saying that someone who drinks milk at a bar and is subsequently “dumped” for being unsophisticated does not prove the point of the “foodie”. It proves the point of the people who say “food is food, I eat what I want to eat, why do you care?” The guy was a jerk for not wanting to see her again based on that one thing. ~reads post~ Yeah…it’s a really bad thread. I hope I summed it up properly. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/5 "2005-02-17T03:27:36Z")
> [@Queen Tonya](#): > > I’m not seeing that in any way but how **Shag** portrayed it, there’re certain expectations of sophistication that accompany adulthood. Drinking beer or wine != sophisticated. Drinking milk != unsophisticated. Liking beer or wine != sophisticated. Not liking beer or wine != unsophisticated. ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Tonya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/4491bb/32.png) [@Queen\_Tonya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Tonya)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/6 "2005-02-17T03:31:37Z")
You’re right, drinking this or that doesn’t equal sophistication, but there’s undeniably a certain opinion that goes 'long with ordering sodeypop at a martini bar, no? Yes, folks should eat and drink whatever the hell they want, it’s silly to think otherwise, but it’s also wishful thinking to pretend that sometimes impressions won’t be formed by the choices one makes, fair or unfair it just _is_. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Train\_Song](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4da419/32.png) [@Black\_Train\_Song](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Black_Train_Song)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/7 "2005-02-17T03:34:46Z")
Was the girl wearing overalls and did the waiter lead a cow out to the table so she could taste the milk first? That would be pretty sophistcated. ---
**Author:** ![davenportavenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@davenportavenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davenportavenger)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/8 "2005-02-17T03:41:01Z")
Well, I prefer milk to beer or wine. I don’t know if I’d order it at a bar (I can get milk at home) but if someone ordered milk on a date I’d think it was really awesome and would probably date the person again based on that alone. The courage to rebel against convention and all. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/9 "2005-02-17T03:43:33Z")
> [@Rooves](#): > > Was the girl wearing overalls and did the waiter lead a cow out to the table so she could taste the milk first? That would be pretty sophistcated. I’ve been to that bar but that is not really some place that you want to take a date. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/10 "2005-02-17T03:43:37Z")
I wouldn’t order milk in a bar unless I was sure they did a big business in White Russians or something. But to use that as a sign of sophistication? Yeah, right, whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/11 "2005-02-17T03:45:28Z")
> [@Queen Tonya](#): > > You’re right, drinking this or that doesn’t equal sophistication, but there’s undeniably a certain opinion that goes 'long with ordering sodeypop at a martini bar, no? I don’t drink, so I should start drinking because I happen to follow my friends into a snooty bar? Don’t be daft. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/12 "2005-02-17T03:45:47Z")
If an otherwise wonderful and suitable person is dumped _just_ because they drink milk instead of something more “sophisticated,” then the dumper is a **MORON**. If, however, the milk thing was the tip of the iceberg and pointed to many other things that were incompatable about the person, fine. But milk by itself? Totally ridiculous. A person is well rid of someone who will dump them over just _milk_. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/13 "2005-02-17T03:49:08Z")
> [@Queen Tonya](#): > > but it’s also wishful thinking to pretend that sometimes impressions won’t be formed by the choices one makes, fair or unfair it just _is_. It still makes the person who makes the assumption - like Shagnasty and the man in this anecdote - utter idiots. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/14 "2005-02-17T03:50:47Z")
So basically, the sophisticated thing to do would be to prefer a man with a lot of money over a man who wouldn’t see her as an uncultured hick for not caring to drink alcohol. There’s a shorter word for that kind of behaviour, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![pasunejen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/58956e/32.png) [@pasunejen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pasunejen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/15 "2005-02-17T03:50:54Z")
The only way I can see her behavior being problematic is if she chose, or had an equal hand in the choosing of, the venue for the date. Otherwise the way I see it she was being obliging by not objecting to a locale her date obviously liked–all she did was order something she’d prefer over the usual fare. If her date’s night was spoiled because _she_ chose to drink something she liked, so be it. She’s better off without him. ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Tonya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/4491bb/32.png) [@Queen\_Tonya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Tonya)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/16 "2005-02-17T03:53:14Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > I don’t drink, so I should start drinking because I happen to follow my friends into a snooty bar? Don’t be daft. Nah, but if you’re suddenly in **Eve** -movie territory and Cary Grant or Deborah Kerr invites you into swankville, you’re not quite hanging with your pals, eh? I’m utterly clueless about both wine and beer and would likely look like an utter boob ordering, but at least I’m acknowledging my boobness if I ever find myself timewarped and sitting opposite Mr.Grant. 😛 I’m guessing the heat from that thread is still too fresh, this is the definitive worst anecdote in all of SDMB history? ---
**Author:** ![Marlitharn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/779978/32.png) [@Marlitharn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marlitharn)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/17 "2005-02-17T03:56:50Z")
> [@](#): > > The moral to that story is that you have the right to eat and drink whatever you want but don’t be surprised when people judge you negatively for your simpleton ways. Yeah. Like this one time my cousin was dating this really rich guy, and she invited him to my parents annual fish-fry. Imagine her embarrassment when he asked for a glass to pour his beer into! Can you _imagine?_ Of course, she dumped him immediately. :rolleyes: \<—closed captioned for the sarcasm-impaired. ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/18 "2005-02-17T03:58:46Z")
C’mon, she ordered **milk** in a bar. That’s just no good. At least order a club soda, or water even. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/19 "2005-02-17T04:01:31Z")
My mother tells the following story about her passage to the Mother Country from New Zealand way back when. Invited to drinks with the ship’s captain, she is asked what she’d like by a waiter: “Milk”, says the ingénue. “Me too”, says the perfect gent of a ship’s captain. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/20 "2005-02-17T04:03:40Z")
Dunno **Jaade**. I find it hard to take seriously anyone who spends much time debunking the arguments of people he calls “the foodies.” Is that how low we’ve sunk? What’s next, heated debates about whether we call them “Delawarians” or “Delawarites?” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468.md?page=2)