# Shagnasty and the Worst Anecdote in SDMB History **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2005, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468 "2005-02-17T02:49:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/281 "2005-02-19T18:02:06Z")
> [@lezlers](#): > > **Lamia** , calm the hell down. No one is _making_ you order a lime with your coke. You’ve beaten that horse to a pulp. Obviously **Shagnasty** is talking about really upscale, swank affairs in which traditional rules of ettiqute, no matter how silly they may seem, are _expected_. Ordering a lemon or lime with a soft drink it not a rule of etiquette in any situation. People may order a soda that way because they like it, but it is not a social expectation that one do so. The problem is not that I do not _like_ this rule, the problem is that _it does not exist_. I’ve invited **Shagnasty** to prove me wrong on this point, but he can’t do it. I don’t think anyone is trying to “make me” order lemon with my Coke, and I do not feel bad that I do not do this. I know how to behave in polite society. I have never embarassed myself. The only really uncomfortable moment I have ever had at a formal affair was when a Secret Service agent made a pass at me, and that’s not a problem with _my_ manners. I know the “traditional rules of etiquette”. I know full well that they do not obligate me to order a lemon with my Coke, and that no sane person would think less of me for not doing so. This is not an issue of great importance to the world, but I was under the impression that this board discouraged the spreading of misinformation. No one should come away from this thread with a false belief as to what is expected of them in a formal situation. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/282 "2005-02-19T18:13:31Z")
Coke already has too much lemon as an ingredient. That’s why it tastes like crap. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/283 "2005-02-19T18:23:29Z")
One of my friends claims that _diet_ colas taste much better with lemon, because the lemon counters the artificial sweetener aftertaste. I don’t know if there’s anything to that, though. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/284 "2005-02-19T18:30:18Z")
**Lamia** , obviously it _does_ bother you a great deal, or else you wouldn’t be getting so indignant about it. You’d think someone asked you to order a coke with a side of monkey poo from your reaction. If you don’t want to do it, have never done it and have never had an adverse reaction from not doing it (I can’t imagine you would), then for Og’s sake, relax and don’t _stress off of it_. Just treat **Shagnasty** ’s failure to provide the golden cite as an admission that it’s not a hard and fast rule and _move the hell on_. Your insistance on bringing it up in every post you make only makes it appear to be a _very_ big deal to you and makes it seem that you _do_ in fact, care very much about the possibility of being judged for it. And for the record, Diet Pepsi/Coke does in fact taste much better with lemon. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/285 "2005-02-19T18:33:47Z")
Call me crazy, but people making up random shit and trying to pass themselves off as an authority makes me more than just a tad indignant, too. ---
**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/286 "2005-02-19T18:42:53Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > Chocolate Milkshake > > 1 oz Creme de Cacao > 1/2 oz Kahlua Coffee Liqueur > 1/2 oz Irish Cream > 1 oz Milk > > Pour all ingredients into a cocktail shaker half-filled with ice cubes. Adjust amount of milk if desired. Shake well, strain into a cocktail glass, and serve. Thank you for this. I’ll be sure to try it at the next opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/287 "2005-02-19T18:44:17Z")
**Miller** , you’re a friend of mine on and off the boards so I don’t want to start shit with you, but I feel that you’re acting more than a bit ridiculous in this thread. There’s a time and a place for everything, including rules of ettiquette. As **Stonebrow** said earlier, just because some people may not agree on where specifically the line may be, does not mean the line is not there. We don’t know that **Shagnasty** is making anything up. These may very well _be_ expected behaviors in the _particular situations he’s describing_. Being very froo froo culinary gatherings. This doesn’t mean these rules apply everywhere, in every situation or that he’s making them up. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/288 "2005-02-19T18:55:49Z")
> [@lezlers](#): > > **Lamia** , obviously it _does_ bother you a great deal, or else you wouldn’t be getting so indignant about it. Look, don’t tell me what bothers me. I know what is bothering me here, and it is that **Shagnasty** is telling people something that isn’t true. There are plenty of incorrect things he could have posted that would have bothered me just as much. You do remember the mission of this board, right? And since this is the Pit, I don’t feel under any obligation to be particularly nice to someone who insists upon spreading misinformation. > [@](#): > > \*If you don’t want to do it, have never done it and have never had an adverse reaction from not doing it (I can’t imagine you would), then for Og’s sake, relax and don’t stress off of it. \*I am not stressed about my beverage choices. I rarely even order soda in bars. > [@](#): > > \*Just treat Shagnasty’s failure to provide the golden cite as an admission that it’s not a hard and fast rule and move the hell on. \*I will treat an admission that he was mistaken as an admission that he was mistaken. He’s had plenty of opportunity to make one. At any point he could have said “Sorry for the confusion, I didn’t mean that was an actual rule, I just meant it’s something people might like to do to make their soft drink seem a little fancier”, and that would have been fine. He could still do it, and it would still be fine, although I’d have to say “Why didn’t you just say that pages back?” > [@](#): > > \*Your insistance on bringing it up in every post you make only makes it appear to be a very big deal to you and makes it seem that you do in fact, care very much about the possibility of being judged for it. \*Why would I be worried about something that I know for a fact is not going to happen? Once again, and I hope for the last time, what I am troubled by is that **Shagnasty** is misinforming people on a subject he claims to have expert knowledge about. Since this is a Pitting of him and he made the objectionable statement in this thread, this is the perfect place to bring it up. It’s not like I’m following him around to other threads and saying “Where’s your lemon, Mr. Snootypants?” As this is his Pitting and the subject is relevant to this thread, I’m going to keep bringing it up until he retracts the claim or I get bored, whichever comes first. One of those events is fast approaching, but attempting to engage me in some sort of metadiscussion on the matter or play armchair shrink with me isn’t going to encourage me to drop it sooner. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/289 "2005-02-19T18:57:00Z")
> [@Gary Kumquat](#): > > Silly child. I wonder how you create the strawman of me claiming aristocrat status? Silly rabbit, tricks are for… Um, I mean, you did notice the quotes around aristocrat? Naw, because if you did, you wouldn’t make a fool out of yourself by calling it a strawman. Besides, when your opening sentence calls people peasants, I think I’m well within my rights to say that you’re attempting to act like an aristocratic asshole. > [@Gary Kumquat](#): > > Or are you so stupid that you really think only an aristo can claim good breeding, indeed? One of us is stupid, and it aint me. [2. A person having the tastes, manners, or other characteristics of the aristocracy](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=aristocrat) (eg. your ‘breeding’ and ‘manners’) > [@Gary Kumquat](#): > > Arrogant? Always. Imperious - certainly so. Then chances are you’re a schmuck and a jerk to boot. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/290 "2005-02-19T19:01:41Z")
> [@lezlers](#): > > We don’t know that **Shagnasty** is making anything up. These may very well _be_ expected behaviors in the _particular situations he’s describing_. Being very froo froo culinary gatherings. This doesn’t mean these rules apply everywhere, in every situation or that he’s making them up. If he’s not making it up, he ought to be able to come up with some sort of evidence for his claims, shouldn’t he? And even if he’s not talking completely out his ass, it seems pretty apparent that the “rules of ettiquette” he’s talking about are so narrow and so specific to venue that the conclusions he’s drawing about people for not understanding them are unwarranted. Again, what’s being pitted here is not the idea that these rules exsist, but **Shagnasty** ’s use of said rules as some sort of evidence of his own superiority. Ettiquette exsists to make sure everyone in a social situation enjoys themselves as much as possible, not as a means of playing a game of social one-upsmanship, as **Shagnasty** evidently believes. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/291 "2005-02-19T19:02:42Z")
**Lamia** , every time I read one of your posts I can hear the Psycho movie music in my head. Why don’t you have a Coke and a lime and shut the fuck up? ---
**Author:** ![Mauvaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mauvaise/32/11084_2.png) [@Mauvaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mauvaise)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/292 "2005-02-19T19:03:44Z")
> [@lezlers](#): > > There’s a time and a place for everything, including rules of ettiquette. As **Stonebrow** said earlier, just because some people may not agree on where specifically the line may be, does not mean the line is not there. And like others have asked for, I’d like a cite that drinking milk in public, or not asking for a slice of lime/lemon with a carbonated beverage, is an etiquette faux pas worthy of some of the comments I’ve seen here in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/293 "2005-02-19T19:08:22Z")
> [@lezlers](#): > > We don’t know that **Shagnasty** is making anything up. These may very well _be_ expected behaviors in the _particular situations he’s describing_. Being very froo froo culinary gatherings. This doesn’t mean these rules apply everywhere, in every situation or that he’s making them up. That is not the situation he was describing. You may want to re-read the post in question, #149, where he describes the situation as “a bar in an elegant setting”. That sort of place was also the setting of the original anecdote. > [@x-ray vision](#): > > Lamia, every time I read one of your posts I can hear the Psycho movie music in my head. Why don’t you have a Coke and a lime and shut the fuck up? Mother doesn’t let me drink Coke. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/294 "2005-02-19T19:15:00Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > Look, don’t tell me what bothers me. . _blah blah blah… It doesn’t bother me, it DOESN’T!! HMPH!!!_ Whatever peels your lemon, sweetheart. **Miller** , I’m with you. I just wish you’d been so calm and rational in your previous posts. And there are a lot of social rules that being specific to certain venues, aren’t written down anywhere. That doesn’t mean they don’t exist. I also don’t think that **Shagnasty** is using the rules to play a game of social one-upsmanship, I think maybe your own insecurities are creating specific intentions where none really exist. I think he was just demonstrating that there are certain expected social behaviors in certain situations that if not followed, may result in people judging you. Whether those judgments are valid or not is of no consequence. Whether the person doing the judging is a boor himself who obviously lacks a certain amount of class is also of no consequence. The fact is, depending on the situation, _you may be judged_. It’s a fact of life. If I was in a wine bar on a first date and my date ordered milk, I’d think he was a little odd, yeah. And maybe even a bit unsophisticated. Would I never go out with him again because of it? Of course not, that’d be silly. Would I make a big deal out of it and embarrass him? Please. That’d be totally classless. But would I make some sort of judgment off of it? Yeah, probably. Because it’s a little strange, especially around here. If that makes me an unsufferable snob, so be it. [sub]\* of course, this was me, not **Lamia** [/sub] ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/295 "2005-02-19T19:17:50Z")
> [@Mauvaise](#): > > And like others have asked for, I’d like a cite that drinking milk in public, or not asking for a slice of lime/lemon with a carbonated beverage, is an etiquette faux pas worthy of some of the comments I’ve seen here in this thread. My my, being a bit intellectually dishonest aren’t we? No one here has said _drinking milk is public_ is an ettiquette faux pas. People have said _ordering milk in a fancy bar_ is _odd_. It IS. And people are jumping on **Shagnasty** for making shit up… ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/296 "2005-02-19T19:18:02Z")
[Here’s a Dope cite about some arbitrary rules of decorum which could get you in trouble with up tight folks at least](http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/m971211b.html) It should also be unsurprising that there is, indeed, a long tradition of making value judgements upon the beverages you consume or serve. If alcohol was out of vogue then, why is it not possible that in certain circles, it is back in vogue, and milk is out? You must admit, milk is marketed, generally, as a child’s beverage. Building strong bones and all that. It’s also generally advertised in a less than highbrow manner, aint never seen nobody with a champaigne mustache. [" Traditionally, Americans drank mostly whiskey and other hard liquor, but as the attitudes of the established classes changed, consumption of those beverages declined." “While prescriptive table etiquette has had a long tradition, Victorian America developed elaborate dining rituals reflecting the contemporary social trend toward rigid control and hierarchy. As social etiquette became more convoluted, etiquette manuals became essential to help navigate the social rituals. Despite the prominence of the temperance movement, alcoholic beverages at the dinner table were not popular. In fact strong drink was avoided in most circumstances by the majority of Americans. Wine and beer were a staple of European dining, however, so that the subject of such beverages at formal dinners could not be avoided. Here, the chapter on dining etiquette opens with a statement of neutrality on the treatment of alcohol at the table, while at the same time inferring agreement with its condemnation.”](http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/spec/exhibits/american.html#drinking) It is important to realize that societal conventions are not absolute, and while it may indeed be true that some people would view you as an uncultured bumpkin for drinking a glass of milk at a fancy dinner party, that doesn’t make you one. Just means they might treat you that way. ---
**Author:** ![Mauvaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mauvaise/32/11084_2.png) [@Mauvaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mauvaise)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/297 "2005-02-19T20:05:19Z")
> [@lezlers](#): > > My my, being a bit intellectually dishonest aren’t we? No one here has said _drinking milk is public_ is an ettiquette faux pas. People have said _ordering milk in a fancy bar_ is _odd_. It IS. Some people have said it is “odd”, while others (Shagnasty, for one) have said it’s an etiquette faux pas, and an act worthy of calling someone an unsophisticated social moron (i.e. simpleton). He also said the same of anyone that didn’t ask for lemon/lime with a soda or water. I would still like a cite that either of those things are an etiquette faux pas. As for my extrapolating drinking milk in public from “ordering” milk - what do you think someone is going to do with whatever drink they order at whatever place? Toss it on the floor? They are going to DRINK it. Hence, my drinking milk in public comment. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/298 "2005-02-19T22:49:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **lezlers** > Man, I just made it through all 4 pages of this thread and am amazed at the hostility coming from the “pro-milk” crowd. Lamia, calm the hell down. No one is making you order a lime with your coke. You’ve beaten that horse to a pulp. Obviously Shagnasty is talking about really upscale, swank affairs in which traditional rules of ettiqute, no matter how silly they may seem, are expected. These are not the same rules that are expected to be follwed at every bar on every corner. You adjust your behavior accordingly. > > Do all the rules make sense? No. Do some seem down right silly? You bet. Must they be followed like black letter law? Not unless you’re trying to impress someone important, like Shagnasty is often in the position of. If you don’t follow them, might you be judged? Sure. Must you care? Hell no. > > I worked in politics for awhile, in the wine country to top it off. These rules are out there. Shagnasty didn’t make them up. I didn’t make them up. But when I was in a position where it mattered, I quickly learned and followed them. I didn’t get all bitter and blame those who expected them to be followed for their very existence. Haven’t we all matured past the age of 5 when asking why, making repetitive snide little comments and throwing an absolute hissy when we didn’t agree with something seemed appropriate? > > If you don’t want to follow the rules, then don’t. You’re not going to get kicked out of the bar. Just remember that a person with class will be aware of the expected ettiqute of any venue in which she intends to spend time. A person with class will also “not notice” when someone in their company fails to be aware or follow those expected behaviors. - > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **lezlers** > **Lamia** , obviously it _does_ bother you a great deal, or else you wouldn’t be getting so indignant about it. You’d think someone asked you to order a coke with a side of monkey poo from your reaction. If you don’t want to do it, have never done it and have never had an adverse reaction from not doing it (I can’t imagine you would), then for Og’s sake, relax and don’t _stress off of it_. Just treat **Shagnasty** ’s failure to provide the golden cite as an admission that it’s not a hard and fast rule and _move the hell on_. Your insistance on bringing it up in every post you make only makes it appear to be a _very_ big deal to you and makes it seem that you _do_ in fact, care very much about the possibility of being judged for it. \* You’re flip-flopping faster than an Olympic gymnast. In two posts three hours apart, you’ve gone from claiming that when you’re hanging out with Important People, you **must** follow certain rules of etiquette, and apparently these rules extend to your choice of beverage. Then you claim in your second post that anyone can do whatever they want, and **Lamia** is the one with the problem for denying that she **will** be judged for her choice of beverage, **even though you’re the one telling her she will be judged.** You’re just covering your ass by saying, “Of course you **shouldn’t** be judged,” while your previous post implies, “but you will.” And **x-ray vision** , how **dare** you imply that **lamia** is the crazy one here. ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/299 "2005-02-19T23:01:30Z")
> [@lezlers](#): > > My my, being a bit intellectually dishonest aren’t we? > > _blah blah blah I’m not dishonest I’m not! hic blah blah_ > > for making shit up… \*obviosuly not said by **lezlers** in the actual post I am quoting I might as well tell you all now, that when you sit down in a mud pit with pigs, there are some rules to follow, otherwise the pigs may think you odd. 1. Do not sip the slop politely. Slurp, burp and grunt at will. 2. Do not say “excuse me” if you accidentally void yourself. Let the pigs sniff you and then move on as if all is normal. 3. Do not make sudden movements or loud noises. It upsets them. 4. Do not ask for a honeybaked ham. Follow these rules, and you will find yourself accepted. Fail to obey them at your own peril. Pigs bite. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/300 "2005-02-19T23:21:13Z")
**lezlers** , do _not_ create quotes to falsely attribute to others, even with a tiny disclaimer at the end. It’s a dishonest tactic; it puts your words into someone else’s mouth. If you can’t actually find a quote that actually suits your argument then everything else is your interpretation. Consider youself warned. Do _not_ do this again. **Rufus Xavier** , I’m just noting to you that turning a bad tactic back onto the source just compounds the fracture. Your post was so clearly intented to highlight the problem I’ll exempt you from warning. Next time just report the infraction though, please, or at least don’t use it yourself. This confuses and misleads people reading posts. Argue it cleanly or don’t bother. TVeblen Pit mod [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468.md?page=16)