# Shagnasty and the Worst Anecdote in SDMB History **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2005, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468 "2005-02-17T02:49:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/321 "2005-02-20T15:01:43Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > There is a reason all this is relevant: > > 1. New Orleans and Dartmouth are famous for their drinking culture. The purpose of a lemon or lime in soda or drinking just mixers is to discretely disguise the fact that you are not drinking an alcoholic beverage. If you are not drinking, it makes people wonder why not and none of the conclusions they may draw are flattering in that context. It may also make other people feel uncomfortable that you are not fully participating in the event with them. This is especially important in New Orleans. And so the truth finally comes out. I won’t deny that some people do believe that “Drinking is cool! Only babies and losers don’t drink!” Occasionally the self-appointed Fun Police will notice that someone else isn’t drinking alcohol and start making a big deal about it. This is not, however, behavior I associate with formal affairs or elegant bars. It is behavior I have encountered primarily at the kinds of events where homemade Jell-o shots were being served and people were showing off their body piercings. That sort of party can be fun, but “sophisticated” doesn’t really describe it. In any event, disguising your drink can only be effective at a gathering large enough that everyone didn’t hear everyone else’s order. On a date, such as that described in the original anecdote, there’s no missing the fact that your partner is not having alcohol. If the young lady had ordered a virgin Bloody Mary or Coke with a twist, her date still would have known she wasn’t drinking. At a large gathering someone who doesn’t drink, especially someone recovering from a drinking problem, may want to disguise their beverage to avoid any potential confrontation with the Fun Police. This is reasonable enough, but it isn’t a rule of etiquette. There’s nothing _wrong_ with openly having a soft drink. It isn’t vulgar, uncouth, unsophisticated, or childish to choose a beverage without alcohol. Anyone who has a problem with that is displaying not only poor manners and a lack of class, but a lack of basic decency. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/322 "2005-02-20T15:13:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **Kolak of Twilo** > I hate to go back to this but, bars (by the term “bars” I mean “places that serve booze of any type, no food.”) do not, as a common practice, stock milk. Former bartender checkin’ in: Any bar that serves mixed drinks stocks milk. Milk is used as an ingredient in several mixed drinks, the most well known being the White Russian (most bars use milk, not cream unfortunately). ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/323 "2005-02-20T15:16:35Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > I won’t deny that some people do believe that “Drinking is cool! Only babies and losers don’t drink!” When I was an actively drinking alcoholic (a long time ago, thankfully!) it was very unnerving for me to see others who weren’t drinking like I was. It fed my fear that my behavior was abnormal, and that I ought to do something about it. I didn’t like the fear, so I’d immediately respond by trying to get the other person to _drink, dammit_! If they didn’t, I’d get more uncomfortable. I recall feeling contempt at the “unsophisticated” people who didn’t drink like I did! Now, that behavior is **not** universal for, nor limited to alcoholics. But it’s not at all uncommon. I could really be an asshole when I was drinking. Even moreso than today! How’s the recovery going, **Shagnasty**? The first year is a challenging one. I sure know, I had 3 failed attempts at putting together a sober first year, before succeeding! QtM ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/324 "2005-02-20T15:18:46Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > Can we move on now and discuss Suzie’s wedding this past summer? She had a cash bar even for sodas and juice ($3+)!. Now that is just gauche. So now Suzie is a gauche, milk drinking simpleton. So the _real_ purpose of the story was to try to get some digs in on Suzie in the first place. It had nothing to do with etiquette at a bar, drink choices, first date impressions, any of that crap. It was just to alert the world that Suzie wasn’t quite up to your snooty standards. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/325 "2005-02-20T15:30:00Z")
> [@Duke of Rat](#): > > So now Suzie is a gauche, milk drinking simpleton. > > So the _real_ purpose of the story was to try to get some digs in on Suzie in the first place. > > It had nothing to do with etiquette at a bar, drink choices, first date impressions, any of that crap. > > It was just to alert the world that Suzie wasn’t quite up to your snooty standards. Looks that way. (Although I agree it’s rude to charge people for sodas at one’s wedding.) **Shagnasty** , it’s not exactly sophistocated to constantly harp on the faults of others. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/326 "2005-02-20T15:32:00Z")
> [@](#): > > So now Suzie is a gauche, milk drinking simpleton. So NOW she is. After 7 pages the jig is up - Suzie is “gauche”. **Shagnasty** simply has no end to the depth of his foul pompous abusery!! Thank god you jumped in **Duke**. Have an all dairy enema on me. [sniff]Will us drinkers of milk and grape kneehighs ever be truly free? They just want us all to be alcoholics[/sniffles] ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/327 "2005-02-20T15:44:20Z")
[QUOTE] > [@Athena](#): > > Why? Because Shagnasty’s wife has family members who went on Maury Povitch? You mean now that Shag says he’s a high-style guy that his whole family has to be, too? No, it’s that he claims to be a high style guy \*as a result of the coaching \* of his wife’s family. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/328 "2005-02-20T16:23:34Z")
I look at it this way–it can be very uncomfortable to share an experience on a date, especially a first date, when the appreciation of the experience is completely asymmetric. Let’s say I ask a girl out to the local upscale steakhouse, and she says yes. When asked for her order, she tells me to “go ahead”, and I order the bone-in ribeye, a baked potato, and a glass of good Cabernet. She then asks for a bowl of plain lettuce and a glass of water, because it turns out she’s a vegan on a strict low-carb diet. I might think she’s weird for this, but I would not think she was in any way “inferior” because of it. I would be royally pissed, however, that this didn’t come up when I suggested the Gate City Chop House as a first-date venue, and that I would be spending the rest of the evening wolfing down cow while she looks on and picks at her romaine. This is exactly how I’d feel if I invited someone to a swanky Manhattan beer and wine bar, she agreed to go, and then she ordered a glass of milk. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/329 "2005-02-20T16:29:11Z")
> [@CanvasShoes](#): > > So, according to the most basic understanding of the term “sophisticated” drinking milk in a fancy bar, really IS a bit **un** sophisticated. It’s NOT that milk itself is unsophisticated, it’s that in a sophisticated world, things drinking iced tea or milk in a fine dining or drinking establishment show a lack of worldliness. No. At most, they show a lack of worldliness _with respect to one particular activity_—that of drinking in a bar. This has no necessary correlation to one’s level of sophistication in other areas of life. > [@CanvasShoes](#): > > To state such is making NO judgment on a person’s desireability, worth, attractiveness, intelligence and so on. Merely that said person isn’t aware of the more common and accepted practices when in such a place and time. And again, nothing BAD or UNWORTHY about that, merely unknowledgeable of that particular practice. You are correct, but remember that this thread was started with a direct reference to **Shagnasty** ’s comment, and he can weasel all he likes, but the fact is that he _was_ making a “judgment on a person’s desireability, worth, attractiveness, intelligence and so on.” > [@CanvasShoes](#): > > A late model, beige-champagne Buick Park Avenue is “sophisticated”, a fire engine red 1968 Camero with flames painted on the fenders is not. Neither car is “better” than the other one (well okay, personally, I think the Camero knocks spots off the Buick, but that’s just personal taste). And once again, we run up against the extremely subjective nature of the term “sophisticated.” There are plenty of people in the world who wouldn’t consider _any_ Detroit-made car to be sophisticated, and would instead point you to a Jaguar, or a Mercedes S-Class, or an Aston Martin. Does their opinioin, then, make _you_ unsophisticated for admiring anything so gauche as a Buick? > [@Kolak of Twilo](#): > > I hate to go back to this **but** , bars (by the term “bars” I mean “places that serve booze of any type, no food.”) do not, as a common practice, stock milk. Well, your sample notwithstanding, i’ve worked in bars on three continents, and every bar i’ve ever worked in had milk in the fridge. It’s main purpose was for addition to certain cocktails, but if someone had asked for a glass of milk, we wouldn’t have thought twice about serving it straight up. > [@yosemite](#): > > I don’t think it was the use of the term “unsophisticated” that pushed peoples’ buttons, it was the use of the word “simpleton,” which, you have to admit, is usually an insult. Simpleton does not equal “unsophisticated,” I don’t care how someone wants to parse it. > > I don’t think that was the issue either, or at least it wasn’t with many of us. So she wasn’t a match. No big deal. Everyone makes these sort of decisions. > > The problem was that **Shagnasty** told the story as a way of warning us that we might be judged—in a harmful way—by choosing the “wrong” drink. But the girl in the story was not _harmed_, she was simply not a match for a somewhat anal (sounds like), odd, difficult man. > > If any of us are “judged” as an unsuitable mate for: not drinking alcohol, or not listening to the kind of music we don’t like to listen to, or for not reading the kinds of books we don’t want to read, we’re _lucky_. If some guy decides that my passion for Jerry Goldsmith and Jean Sibelius makes me completely wrong for him, that’s _great_. I don’t want to be around him either—no offense, no “right” or “wrong,” just, adios buddy. > > _But that’s not how the story was presented_. It was told kind of like she made a mistake of some kind. It was told as a way of warning us that we might be harshly judged if we don’t watch out. If he wanted to drive that point home to us, he certainly chose the wrong story. > > She didn’t make any “mistake”—not a significant one, anyway. Any more than I’d be making a mistake by telling someone that I adored [Jerry Goldsmith](http://www.jerrygoldsmithonline.com), simply because there was some bizarre arbitrary “rule” amongst some small faction of people which dictated that film composer admiration was not exactly of the highest caliber. Even if my admiration of Goldsmith would shock and appall some people, it’s _fine_, because 1) that’s their problem and they’re _whacked_ if it really makes them upset, (just like drinking a dairy product or not properly camouflaging a soft drink also cannot be, by any stretch of the imagination, that appalling of a transgression) and 2) anyone who is appalled by an admiration of Jerry Goldsmith is no fit company for me anyway. > > I don’t think that’s what set people off. I think it was the overblown presentation, i.e. _Screeeeech!_ It was a stupid story. She didn’t do anything so terribly wrong. No harm was done. It was a big fat nothing, other than _if_ the guy used the milk-drinking as the only reason to not see her again, then, _whoa_—that is a difficult, anal person. But that, once again, is not her problem. > > But the story was presented in such a way as if to tell us, “SEE? See what might happen to _you?_” That was bizarre. It wasn’t a big deal. Her behavior did not cause any her undesireable consequences. It sure as hell wasn’t “uncouth” and “off-the-wall” either, both which **Shagnasty** used to describe the ordering of the milk. Exactly. Despite the fact that i think there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it, i do agree that i would be somewhat surprised if someone ordered a glass of milk in a fancy wine bar or cocktail bar. But **Shagnasty** went well beyond such a raising of the eyebrows and turned his whole story into a cheap little morality tale about how the stupid girl missed out on landing the rich guy. And that makes him an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/330 "2005-02-20T16:33:12Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] > [@](#): > > No, it’s that he claims to be a high style guy \*as a result of the coaching \* of his wife’s family. Unless you were an orphan that was never the one picked for adoption, you should realize that family’s have many different branches and are not always the same. In this case, it is father’s side versus mother’s side. Thanks for asking, **Quadgop**! Recovery is going very well even though I am fully aware that I always have to stay on my toes. I am doing everything that people tell me in order to make it and it is working so far. I can’t say that it is the easiest or most enjoyable thing though. Either I make it or I lose everything and die early. The only way that I was lucky in alcoholism is that I never hit bottom in the way that many other people do. I still have everything that I always did so that is a big positive and I use it as an incentive. I was talking to my wife about **Suzie** last night and amazingly enough my wife brought up that story. I didn’t tell her what a response it brought out here. My wife then mentioned the 100% cash bar for everything at her wedding. We only brought a little cash with us to the reception (who would think) and we ran out before it was over. When she brought that up, I just said screw it and posted it being sarcastic because people seem so fascinated with all of this. My wife and I love Suzie. She is who she is, however, and I think that she would lose her charm if she ever did develop sophistication and polish. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/331 "2005-02-20T16:38:03Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > Thanks for asking, **Quadgop**! Recovery is going very well even though I am fully aware that I always have to stay on my toes. I am doing everything that people tell me in order to make it and it is working so far. I can’t say that it is the easiest or most enjoyable thing though. Either I make it or I lose everything and die early. The only way that I was lucky in alcoholism is that I never hit bottom in the way that many other people do. I still have everything that I always did so that is a big positive and I use it as an incentive. Nothing wrong with having a relatively high bottom. Mine could have been a _lot_ lower. Though each time I failed to stay in recovery, the bottom did get lower. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/332 "2005-02-20T16:42:59Z")
> [@Qadgop the Mercotan](#): > > Nothing wrong with having a relatively high bottom. Mine could have been a _lot_ lower. Though each time I failed to stay in recovery, the bottom did get lower. That is true. Sorry about misspelling your name above. I really do know how to spell it. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/333 "2005-02-20T19:08:29Z")
My god… I have no idea why I read this thread, and now I kind of of wish I could get those 20 minutes back. But I did learn one important skill (which I don’t need anyway, being married and all): 1. If you go out on a date, make sure to order milk. This will act as a good way to filter out the pretentious assholes you might accidentally date. Anyone who equates sophistication with correct beverage choices is a simpleton. Decent people are hard enough to find that it’s idiotic to filter out potential mates based on ridiculous criteria like whether they order appropriate drinks or know how to handle the sommelier in a fancy restaraunt. If it were me and a woman ordered a milk, I’d be thinking, “Hey, she’s unique! She’s comfortable enough in her own skin that she doesn’t have to order something she doesn’t like just to impress me. Cool!” ---
**Author:** ![MissGypsy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8491ac/32.png) [@MissGypsy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissGypsy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/334 "2005-02-20T20:27:25Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > 1. If you go out on a date, make sure to order milk. This will act as a good way to filter out the pretentious assholes you might accidentally date. > > Anyone who equates sophistication with correct beverage choices is a simpleton. I’m not sure why, but this struck me as wildly funny. If I ever date again, I think I’ll order the cheapest, rotgut whiskey I can think of (Early Times, or something like that?), or Mad Dog 20/20, or a glass of Boone’s Farm Strawberry Hill, just to see the reaction. 😛 I’ve carefully refrained from posting in either this or the picky eater thread until now, but I’ve spent hours alternately scratching my head in puzzlement at the importance that some place on one’s food/drink choices, and marveling at the vitriol and pretentiousness in both threads. I think that food and drink choices may rival politics as far as divisive issues go, here. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/335 "2005-02-20T20:35:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **Sam Stone** > But I did learn one important skill (which I don’t need anyway, being married and all): > > 1. If you go out on a date, make sure to order milk. This will act as a good way to filter out the pretentious assholes you might accidentally date. I think **Doctor J** put it best why this isn’t such a good idea with his post: > [@](#): > > I look at it this way–it can be very uncomfortable to share an experience on a date, especially a first date, when the appreciation of the experience is completely asymmetric. > > Let’s say I ask a girl out to the local upscale steakhouse, and she says yes. When asked for her order, she tells me to “go ahead”, and I order the bone-in ribeye, a baked potato, and a glass of good Cabernet. She then asks for a bowl of plain lettuce and a glass of water, because it turns out she’s a vegan on a strict low-carb diet. > > I might think she’s weird for this, but I would not think she was in any way “inferior” because of it. I would be royally pissed, however, that this didn’t come up when I suggested the Gate City Chop House as a first-date venue, and that I would be spending the rest of the evening wolfing down cow while she looks on and picks at her romaine. This is exactly how I’d feel if I invited someone to a swanky Manhattan beer and wine bar, she agreed to go, and then she ordered a glass of milk. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/336 "2005-02-20T20:48:03Z")
That would piss you off? Seriously? Man, some of you are tense. This thread just baffles me. It has simply never, ever ocurred to me to judge someone based on what they order in a restaraunt. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/337 "2005-02-20T21:04:30Z")
Seven pages over a goddamned glass of milk, with plenty of outrage on both sides. She’s a cad and a simpleton; he’s a food Nazi and probably an alcoholic. There is obviously a culture war here, with the one side valuing social order and the other side valuing individual rights. ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/338 "2005-02-20T22:15:30Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > **Rufus Xavier** , I’m just noting to you that turning a bad tactic back onto the source just compounds the fracture. Your post was so clearly intented to highlight the problem I’ll exempt you from warning. Next time just report the infraction though, please, or at least don’t use it yourself. > > This confuses and misleads people reading posts. Argue it cleanly or don’t bother. I understand, thank you. My apologies. > [@lezlers](#): > > Rufus, I have no idea what the hell you’re trying to say. I know. And I’m OK with that. ---
**Author:** ![Girl\_From\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3da27b/32.png) [@Girl\_From\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Girl_From_Mars)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/339 "2005-02-21T00:14:11Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > My mother tells the following story about her passage to the Mother Country from New Zealand way back when. Invited to drinks with the ship’s captain, she is asked what she’d like by a waiter: “Milk”, says the ingénue. “Me too”, says the perfect gent of a ship’s captain. Which brings up a point - if this rich guy in Shagnasty’s story was all about class and appropriate behaviour, what was he doing ordering before her? If the milk was such a big deal for her, sounds like she was well rid of him. It’s not like she proceeded to blow milk bubbles into it once it arrived?? ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468/340 "2005-02-21T00:44:32Z")
I asked this earlier and it never got answered, but I think the answer has a direct bearing on who’s snooty and who’s a simpleton. **Shagnasty** : _How do we know that he turned on her because of the milk_? Did she tell you that’s what happened? If so, how did she know that was the problem and not something else? Did he comment on it? OR - did she tell you that she ordered milk and then you surmised that’s what happened? OR - did \*he \* tell you that’s what happened? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-and-the-worst-anecdote-in-sdmb-history/290468.md?page=18)