# Shagnasty is a misogynistic prick **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2017, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661 "2017-11-15T03:11:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/581 "2017-11-28T00:14:05Z")
\*\* expectopatronum\*\*, don’t worry about it. There are some legitimate criticisms in this this thread along with a whole lot of illegitimate ones. I am not making up mundane details of my life. I am not even capable of that. When I told you that I would take you out if you ever came to Boston, I was not hitting on you. I have lots of female friends including many married ones and we do stuff together one on one all the time. Some people find that odd but fuck’em. The U.S. isn’t an Islamic country. There is no sex or romance involved. There are just certain people that I like and vice versa. I love women in general, especially many family members, but that also extends to coworkers, friends and lots more. A bunch of them are just a pain in the ass as well but that applies to men too. I am less of a fan of males so that is why I find it odd to get slapped with the misogyny label because I don’t think it applies to me. I am not one of the ones participating in women’s rights marches because I don’t do that for anything but that doesn’t mean that I am not kind to women on a one on one basis because I am and most of them really like me in person even if it is just platonic. I just view things differently than a lot of people do and always have. Lots of people like it and some don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/582 "2017-11-28T00:17:52Z")
> [@expectopatronum](#): > > I mean, do we really need a receipt from the guy for a date he claimed the go on? What good will that do anyone? None. Even if proven, it could very well mean that the person has decided to back up this story loudly whilst trying to quietly ignore other bits that are blatant falsehoods, and conversely, refusal to provide a receipt _from an otherwise generally believable person_ also says nothing about the falsehood of their other claims. But the “$75 is an expensive date!” is pretty fucking hilarious. I’m not even technically upper middle class but I barely blink at spending that much on myself on a good weekend’s entertainment, much less two people. For a globetrotting power consultant it should feel like deprivation. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/583 "2017-11-28T00:22:45Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > I love women in general, especially many family members, but that also extends to coworkers, friends and lots more. A bunch of them are just a pain in the ass as well but that applies to men too. I am less of a fan of males so that is why I find it odd to get slapped with the misogyny label because I don’t think it applies to me. I am not one of the ones participating in women’s rights marches because I don’t do that for anything but that doesn’t mean that I am not kind to women on a one on one basis because I am and most of them really like me in person even if it is just platonic. Most people don’t have to keep insisting and telling people that they “love women”. If you find yourself doing so a lot, there’s probably a reason. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/584 "2017-11-28T00:32:38Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > \*\* expectopatronum\*\*, don’t worry about it. There are some legitimate criticisms in this this thread along with a whole lot of illegitimate ones. I am not making up mundane details of my life. I am not even capable of that. > > When I told you that I would take you out if you ever came to Boston, I was not hitting on you. I have lots of female friends including many married ones and we do stuff together one on one all the time. Some people find that odd but fuck’em. The U.S. isn’t an Islamic country. There is no sex or romance involved. There are just certain people that I like and vice versa. > > I love women in general, especially many family members, but that also extends to coworkers, friends and lots more. A bunch of them are just a pain in the ass as well but that applies to men too. I am less of a fan of males so that is why I find it odd to get slapped with the misogyny label because I don’t think it applies to me. I am not one of the ones participating in women’s rights marches because I don’t do that for anything but that doesn’t mean that I am not kind to women on a one on one basis because I am and most of them really like me in person even if it is just platonic. > > I just view things differently than a lot of people do and always have. Lots of people like it and some don’t. You make it clear that you value women based largely on their appearance, or how much they otherwise entertain or provide benefit to you. That’s misogynistic, even if it’s not based on hatred or contempt. Appearance is irrelevant when it comes to the value and character of a person (even if it is relevant for physical attraction). ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/585 "2017-11-28T00:36:28Z")
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**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/586 "2017-11-28T00:37:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You make it clear that you value women based largely on their appearance, or how much they otherwise entertain or provide benefit to you. That’s misogynistic, even if it’s not based on hatred or contempt. Appearance is irrelevant when it comes to the value and character of a person (even if it is relevant for physical attraction). That is only for romantic and sexual partners. Everyone does that to some degree and there is nothing wrong with it. You are right, I am not going out with a 300 pound woman with adult acne on food stamps no matter how deep her soul is but I hardly think that is unusual. ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/587 "2017-11-28T00:46:58Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > \*\* expectopatronum\*\*, don’t worry about it. There are some legitimate criticisms in this this thread along with a whole lot of illegitimate ones. I am not making up mundane details of my life. I am not even capable of that. > > When I told you that I would take you out if you ever came to Boston, I was not hitting on you. I have lots of female friends including many married ones and we do stuff together one on one all the time. Some people find that odd but fuck’em. The U.S. isn’t an Islamic country. There is no sex or romance involved. There are just certain people that I like and vice versa. > > I love women in general, especially many family members, but that also extends to coworkers, friends and lots more. A bunch of them are just a pain in the ass as well but that applies to men too. I am less of a fan of males so that is why I find it odd to get slapped with the misogyny label because I don’t think it applies to me. I am not one of the ones participating in women’s rights marches because I don’t do that for anything but that doesn’t mean that I am not kind to women on a one on one basis because I am and most of them really like me in person even if it is just platonic. > > I just view things differently than a lot of people do and always have. Lots of people like it and some don’t. Shags, come on man. When you offered to take me out, you preceded that by saying I was “pretty hot in an unusual way”. Is it any wonder I interpreted that as a come on? If you meant it purely as a gesture of friendship, what do my looks have to do with anything? This is why people call you a misogynist. You have literally said all you need from a girlfriend is to fuck and be pretty. It’s one of the quotes I posted in the OP of this thread if you care to go back and read it. You don’t have to be an activist for women’s rights. The amount of women you have in your life isn’t relevant. You called a successful career women a poor partner when you referred to your ex, I asked you why, and you never responded. I concluded the reason you said such women made poor partners was because they are not content to be your arm trophy or your fuck toy, that they want more out of their lives and out of themselves than to be someone’s arm-candy. I’m basing this on your words, on things you yourself have posted. Can you honestly not see how I would come to that conclusion? Being a misogynist doesn’t mean you lack female company. It means than you do not value or respect women or see a potential partner as a whole person, capable, competent, with wants and needs and desires of their own that don’t always involve screwing or being pretty. Can you understand that at all? I’m not trying to insult you anymore, it doesn’t do any good anyway. I’m honestly trying to get through. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/588 "2017-11-28T00:50:54Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > That is only for romantic and sexual partners. Everyone does that to some degree and there is nothing wrong with it. You are right, I am not going out with a 300 pound woman with adult acne on food stamps no matter how deep her soul is but I hardly think that is unusual. Nobody’s said you had to go out with them. But don’t refer to people you aren’t attracted to as “hosebeasts”, or act astonished that people still ARE attracted to those who’ve lost their looks. You couldn’t seem to wrap your head around the idea that there were spouses who were still in love with each other, even if they weren’t so attractive. THAT was what offended people. Someone’s looks aren’t what makes them a hosebeast. There are plenty of beautiful women I’d call hosebeasts. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/589 "2017-11-28T01:01:10Z")
I’d continue, but I don’t think there’s a point (also, what Guin said). Someone who brags about their new girlfriend’s bigotry with a rhetorical wink and a smile is either trolling or just someone that’s not worth talking to. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/590 "2017-11-28T01:25:01Z")
Shagnasty is a POS. The End. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/591 "2017-11-28T01:37:01Z")
Trump – misogynist Shagnasty – misogynist Trump – pathological liar Shagnasty – pathological liar Trump – Twitter troll Shagnasty – SDMB troll Trump – likes to be pissed on Shagnasty – likes to be shit on My guess is that the GOP will run Shagnasty in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/592 "2017-11-28T01:58:26Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > But the “$75 is an expensive date!” is pretty fucking hilarious. I’m not even technically upper middle class but I barely blink at spending that much on myself on a good weekend’s entertainment, much less two people. > . Wonder what the heiress would think if she learned their last date represented big ticket spending to him. We know she’s a snob if contempt for the poor is something she’s proudly advertising, so the OP is going to have tread very carefully lest she catch whiff of his double-wide trailer proclivities and run away screaming into the night. But if she’s truly like the OP, she’s probably peacocking her own damn self, trying hard to keep up the appearance of sophisticated wealth when secretly she’s really all about the cheddar biscuits from Red Lobster kind of life. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/593 "2017-11-28T02:07:32Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Wonder what the heiress would think if she learned their last date represented big ticket spending to him. We know she’s a snob if contempt for the poor is something she’s proudly advertising, so the OP is going to have tread very carefully lest she catch whiff of his double-wide trailer proclivities and run away screaming into the night. > > But if she’s truly like the OP, she’s probably peacocking her own damn self, trying hard to keep up the appearance of sophisticated wealth when secretly she’s really all about the cheddar biscuits from Red Lobster kind of life. Cheddar BAY biscuits. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/594 "2017-11-28T02:14:36Z")
> [@expectopatronum](#): > > Shags, come on man. When you offered to take me out, you preceded that by saying I was “pretty hot in an unusual way”. Is it any wonder I interpreted that as a come on? If you meant it purely as a gesture of friendship, what do my looks have to do with anything? You would have to know me in person to understand this but I judge all friends on looks, both male and female. I do think you are pretty but that doesn’t mean I would hit on you and the God’s honest truth is that I don’t like hanging around people socially that are a lot less than average unless there are unusual circumstances like a true disability. I will freely admit that I don’t like trashy people in general but that has nothing to do with sex or race. I am nice to everyone but I steer clear of people that don’t meet my standards and that includes men. I think everyone does that to some degree. For example, I have a very beautiful female coworker that is going skydiving with me in the Spring when it warms up. We have already done a lot of stuff together and probably would be relationship material but that isn’t going to happen for lots of reasons. She is one of many like that over the years. I never had an issue with that at all. Billy Crystal was completely wrong. Men and women really can be friends with no sexual or romantic overtones. I think that is the truly Progressive view rather than the neo-segregation ideas for sex and race that have popped up in recent years. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/595 "2017-11-28T02:17:33Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > But if she’s truly like the OP, she’s probably peacocking her own damn self, trying hard to keep up the appearance of sophisticated wealth when secretly she’s really all about the cheddar biscuits from Red Lobster kind of life. Who isn’t? Those things are awesome – did you know you can buy the mix to make them at home? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/596 "2017-11-28T02:35:09Z")
If I knew anybody in Hollywood, I’d make a “Curb Your Enthusiasm” knockoff based on Shag’s posts. The audience would hate it but keep tuning in just like they do here. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/597 "2017-11-28T03:27:59Z")
> [@expectopatronum](#): > > I’m not trying to insult you anymore, it doesn’t do any good anyway. I’m honestly trying to get through. Serious question: Why? It should be painfully obvious by now that there’s nothing to which one might get through. **Shagnasty** does not have hidden depths. You correctly identified him as a misogynistic prick. That’s all he ever will be. We’ve looped back to the part where he briefly mimics a person who is capable of self-reflection and change, but it doesn’t mean any more here than it did in any of the other threads where he’s pulled the same routine. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/598 "2017-11-28T03:54:33Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Who isn’t? Those things are awesome – did you know you can buy the mix to make them at home? So here’s how real people brag about real things: my cheddar biscuits? They don’t beat the shit out of Red Lobsters, same reason as Batman doesn’t beat up kindergarteners. I make the best damned cheddar biscuits you’ll ever eat, but only by invitation. If you need me to, I’ll post the receipt. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/599 "2017-11-28T04:11:21Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Who isn’t? Those things are awesome – did you know you can buy the mix to make them at home? This sounds like something the poors would say. My tax bracket is too high for me to be making my own biscuits. Do I look like Mother Abigail to you?! ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661/600 "2017-11-28T04:15:48Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > Well, at least if it’s true, they’re perfect for each other and aren’t out screwing over decent people who deserve much better than either of them. I came here to say essentially the same thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-is-a-misogynistic-prick/801661.md?page=31)