# Shagnasty, stop apologizining for the Nazis, you racist fuck. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 1, 2014, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418 "2014-05-01T04:18:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DChord568](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@DChord568](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DChord568)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/61 "2014-05-01T17:42:35Z")
“The default setting for Southerner Whites is RACIST. The user has to reset that option themselves.” “The default setting for Southerner Blacks is (take your pick: STUPID, LAZY, CONNIVING, etc.). The user has to reset that option themselves.” Simple question for he who wrote the first one: **How are these two statements different?** You have three options: a) Present a reasoned answer to this simple question. b) Give the kind of flip non-answer you seem to be specializing in here. c) Ignore the question completely. Your choice, and the one you pick will either surprise us…or confirm what many are already thinking about you. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/62 "2014-05-01T18:29:19Z")
Still waiting for proof of Shagnasty’s racism. Does he really think there is a black gene that makes black people inferior? I hope not. I’ve always like his posts. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/63 "2014-05-01T18:42:41Z")
I got a lot of hits on Google when searching the board for Shagnasty + gene + African,[but this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=562253&page=2) (Shag doesn’t appear until page 2, post #60) has some of his genetic arguments in it. **MeanOldLady** , go to Google and search “site:boards.straightdope.com Shagnasty black” to search the board w/o having to use the stupid search engine here. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/64 "2014-05-01T18:45:31Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > The default setting for Southerner Whites is RACIST. > The user has to reset that option themselves. > > Most do not. > [@magellan01](#): > > I fully support this pitting of **nevadaexile**. What a maroon. > [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > You are a racist piece of cubed wombat shit. As a white person living in the South, I’m on board with this pitting of nevadexile. Shagnasty didn’t say anything wrong in the links provided by the OP - if only we all treated our enemies with the same amount of civility and courtesy. Racism is not the “default setting” for southerners any more than it is for anyone else. It has to be taught. It sounds like nevadexile learned the lesson. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/65 "2014-05-01T18:49:40Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > Still waiting for proof of Shagnasty’s racism. Does he really think there is a black gene that makes black people inferior? I hope not. I’ve always like his posts. > [@I can has Neanderthal genes?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-can-has-neanderthal-genes/538552/105): > > Remember that we are talking about groups here. These debates always end up this way even though there is no proven cause on either side yet. Let’s not get away from the obvious, Eurasians as a group do have cognitive superiority over almost all indigenous groups of sub-Saharan Africans in any way that can be measured by our standards. No one has ever given a shred of evidence to the contrary even though people bend over backwards to make up explanations and excuses for it. > > You can’t even raise populations of sub-Saharan children in a western environment and expect them to do as well as their European or Asian counterparts. It is one of the most consistent and repeatable social experiments in the world although it is unfortunate. It is impossible to make up any kind on non-specific cognitive test in which kids of sub-Saharan African descent do better than their European or Asian counterparts no matter how or where they are raised. > > This is one area where the Ivy Tower types have gone off the rails. They ignore the most significant fact of all and dive straight into the minutiae while ignoring the obvious. That doesn’t mean much for individuals. There are plenty of sub-Saharan Africans smarter than me or you but the only way to claim that they are intellectual equals in population terms is to base it on mysticism and add lots of non-specific environmental factors on top of that. > > Most people know this intuitively yet we get called bad things if we say it. There may be some biological basis for what we all see every day the testing always reports but I don’t know what the ramifications will be if something like Neanderthal genes means that there was a distinct split in the homo sapien family tree between sub-Saharan blacks and other groups. > > I am not a white supremacist by any stretch but this topic always elicits an emotional response which doesn’t have much bearing on the scientific facts whatever they turn out to be. There is plenty of evidence that the differences in existing human populations is not just skin deep and it grows greater all the time. I think it would be more amazing if all groups turned out to be exactly equal for everything except skin tone. More stuff [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=677863) and here. This isn’t exhaustive. I’m just giving the first couple of places I found. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/66 "2014-05-01T19:02:18Z")
Yuck, I had no idea he was into that sort of shit. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/67 "2014-05-01T19:07:44Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > Yuck, I had no idea he was into that sort of shit. There are a LOT of them on this board. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/68 "2014-05-01T19:09:43Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Shut up **BigT**. The guy is here six years, I’m sure he has figured out how things work. He also thought the statement in the OP was racist. I don’t take anything for granted. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/69 "2014-05-01T20:21:30Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > I got a lot of hits on Google when searching the board for Shagnasty + gene + African,[but this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=562253&page=2) (Shag doesn’t appear until page 2, post #60) has some of his genetic arguments in it. > > **MeanOldLady** , go to Google and search “site:boards.straightdope.com Shagnasty black” to search the board w/o having to use the stupid search engine here. Oh, I know how to Google search the boards specifically, but in theory if this site’s search function weren’t so awful, it’d be a lot easier to search for posts specifically by Shags than to Google certain terms plus his username and pull up anything that contains those terms and also happens his name in it, and then go sifting through the threads. I couldn’t be bothered, but thankfully you and jsgoddess did the dirty work for me, so thanks for that! ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/70 "2014-05-01T20:24:32Z")
Yeah, he’s definitely an odious dude; the OP’s examples just didn’t illustrate that fact. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/71 "2014-05-01T20:39:19Z")
Damn, I am late to my own Pit thread and it wasn’t even based on anything I said. That is worse than the time I got pitted for talking about ordering milk in a bar. **MeanOldLady** , I like you just fine but white people don’t seem to be your cup of tea if we take some of your comments literally. That is the fun thing about racism arguments. There is plenty to go around if you really want to find it. > [@Questions for white people \[the U.S edition\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/questions-for-white-people-the-u-s-edition/686068/17): > > I don’t like white people either, but this thread is completely flippin’ ridiculous. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17286296&postcount=17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17286296&postcount=17) ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/72 "2014-05-01T20:49:24Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > Damn, I am late to my own Pit thread and it wasn’t even based on anything I said. That is worse than the time I got pitted for talking about ordering milk in a bar. > > **MeanOldLady** , I like you just fine but white people don’t seem to be your cup of tea if we take some of your comments literally. That is the fun thing about racism arguments. There is plenty to go around if you really want to find it. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17286296&postcount=17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17286296&postcount=17) Shags, don’t play with me. Are you going to equate what you’ve more or less admitted was a joke (according to you, my comment is racist only if taken literally - which no one in their right mind would, of course) with your 100% serious claims of “race realism”? ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/73 "2014-05-01T21:17:43Z")
This **NevadaExile** person is clearly a complete fucking assclown. I’m surprised he’s (?) been around for close to three years, I’ve only noticed his assclownery recently. Is this a new username of someone who spent a lot of time assclowning under a different username? ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/74 "2014-05-01T22:07:08Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > More stuff [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=677863) and here. This isn’t exhaustive. I’m just giving the first couple of places I found. Just to play Devil’s Advocate here, there seems to me to be a difference between what **Shagnasty** is saying and “traditional” racism. What he’s saying isn’t impossible or illogical, and it need not be based on bias or prejudice. In fact, it seems entirely likely to me that there _could_ be small mental differences between races. I don’t see why we should assume that’s automatically incorrect except that it would be inconvenient and unpleasant if it were true. What is it that’s disagreeable about **Shagnasty’s** post? Is he wrong, or is he correct but saying uncomfortable things? Does it make a difference? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/75 "2014-05-01T22:22:31Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > Just to play Devil’s Advocate here, there seems to me to be a difference between what **Shagnasty** is saying and “traditional” racism. Welcome to “scientific racism.” You can play Devil’s Advocate all you want, but saying that one race is smarter than another is racism. If you want to continue to fight that fight, you’ll have to find someone willing to have it with you. That person ain’t me. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/76 "2014-05-01T22:53:23Z")
Mr. Shagnasty’s Hogan’s Heroes comparison was just stupid and did not support his point. Other than that, Shagnasty comes off here looking like he knows what he is talking about and Chacoguy comes off looking like an ignoramus. Draftees do not Nazis make. SS volunteers (and all SS were volunteers) were members of the Nazi party. A Nazi is a member of the Nazi party. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/77 "2014-05-01T23:06:33Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Welcome to “scientific racism.” You can play Devil’s Advocate all you want, but saying that one race is smarter than another is racism. If you want to continue to fight that fight, you’ll have to find someone willing to have it with you. That person ain’t me. I’m not interested in fighting any fight on this subject, and my hope is that the answer is that **Shagnasty** is wrong. As of yet, though, the prosecution against **Shagnasty** isn’t making a great case beyond the emotional one, which is useless to me. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/78 "2014-05-01T23:09:59Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > I’m not interested in fighting any fight on this subject, and my hope is that the answer is that **Shagnasty** is wrong. As of yet, though, the prosecution against **Shagnasty** isn’t making a great case beyond the emotional one, which is useless to me. If you can’t look at the words I’ve quoted and see racism, there is no case to be made for you. So-called scientific racism appeals to some people. You appear to be one of them. So, congratulations? ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/79 "2014-05-01T23:23:27Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > If you can’t look at the words I’ve quoted and see racism, there is no case to be made for you. So-called scientific racism appeals to some people. You appear to be one of them. So, congratulations? It isn’t technically racism simply because I know enough to realize there is no such thing as strictly delineated race especially when it comes to sub-Saharan Africans. Many of them are less related to each other than they are to most other people in the world. A better term would be ‘Populationist’. I do believe that much of the evidence supports that there are differences among populations both large and small. However, there is no hate or malicious involved. I am just as happy to see some populations of Kenyans and Ethiopians consistently win marathons as I am when Jews rack up a statistically unlikely number of Nobel prizes in science. The difference could be genetic or biological or strictly environmental but the differences clearly exist today. I haven’t won anything remotely similar and probably never will but they are all welcome at a party at my house. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418/80 "2014-05-01T23:54:00Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > So-called scientific racism appeals to some people. You appear to be one of them. So, congratulations? It’s actually this kind of reaction that led me to post in this thread. I’ve said nothing to lead you to the conclusion that scientific racism appeals to me. In fact, I’ve heavily implied the opposite: > [@Bozuit](#): > > … and my hope is that the answer is that **Shagnasty** is wrong. And yet the fact that I even ask for a refutation beyond “racism is bad” is enough to put me in the “potentially racist; do not engage” pile. I would genuinely like to see a reasoned case against the post by Shagnasty that you quoted (or at least a relative authority on the subject to assure me he is wrong). Maybe it makes me a complete weirdo, but I like to know that my feelings are justified. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shagnasty-stop-apologizining-for-the-nazis-you-racist-fuck/687418.md?page=5)