# Shakespeare Mafia-- Act I **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [July 12, 2025, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789 "2025-07-12T15:19:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/221 "2025-07-16T15:54:11Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > o I guess TLDR is a town lean on Pardel-Lux and milder town leans on Bike Bill and SunUp. > > At least until she shows up, I’ll vote for the lurker. Do you have another name I’d recognize 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/222 "2025-07-16T16:04:53Z")
@storyteller0910, did you find any answers you want to comment on? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/223 "2025-07-16T16:06:03Z")
I’ve heard the phrase White Knight but never seen the abbreviation of it. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/224 "2025-07-16T16:08:56Z")
Thing.Fish is The Mighty Quinn, Dizzy. To vote or unvote: use \*\* before and after “vote [person]” ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/225 "2025-07-16T16:13:10Z")
**Unvote DizzyMrsLizzy** because I believe her that she’s having trouble with the board, and while that’s a null tell, a Villainous Lizzy could very easily jump on my train by saying she’s always suspicious of me or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/226 "2025-07-16T16:45:31Z")
I still have some votes down, I want to discuss them instead of just leaving them from a play I made days ago. I may unvote all later, because I don’t want to contribute to exiling someone I don’t have a strong read on. But my votes right now are still on: Mahaloth: not enough info to read him. Everything he’s done so far could be either alignment. DemonTree: I agree with Quinn that they are not posting. That could be either alignment for a newbie. Right now they’re tied for the lead which could be good for coaxing them out of hiding to get more info on them. LH75: I can’t really tell. Without other information, they could have just thought I was Town or they could have been defending me because they know I’m town and Pardel-Lux’s vote will make him look bad. **Unvote Mahaloth** I guess because I’d like to see him live through Day 1 and say more. That leaves LH75 and DemonTree tied unless someone else voted while I’ve been typing this. It’ll be telling I think to see what happens now. I’ll be posting less for the next 5 days because my daughter is coming to visit, but I’ll check in later. ---
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/227 "2025-07-16T16:58:26Z")
Here’s my current list: Biotop No Lean = Haven’t read enough of them Mahaloth No Lean = Haven’t read enough of them DemonTree Lurking - leaning Scum Pardel-Lux Mildly Scummy for what feels like a misread of LH/AotN. Good try though. Thing.Fish/Quinn Kind of town - Votting easy LTL which can be scummy too. LH75 Slight Town lean SunUp Mild Town Lean - at least thinking about game play. glee Slight Scum Lean - Name and Role leak in first post. BicycleBill No Lean = Haven’t read enough of them also Name Claiimed AngeloftheNorth/ScumQueen Always Scum lol (hate the multivote out of the gate too) Prof.Pepperwinkle Probably Town storyteller Probably Town I have too many in my Scum lean pile, so I’m probably wrong about a bunch of them! LOL. I’m going to go with one that I have no real lean on as a push for them to post some more thoughts 🙂 **vote Bicycle\_Bill** Not much posted plus the name claim. I’m going with trying too hard for town cred. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/228 "2025-07-16T17:01:35Z")
**vote SunUp** Reasons to be divulged later. ---
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/229 "2025-07-16T17:03:19Z")
Interesting Peppy! Interesting. I was debating going there myself. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/230 "2025-07-16T17:13:31Z")
“Peppy”? In all my years as Prof. Pepperwinkle, I don’t think anyone’s called me that before. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/231 "2025-07-16T17:26:09Z")
Lot of activity in the last couple of hours. Mahaloth 0 (Prof.Pepperwinkle 2-9, AngeloftheNorth 146-226) Biotop 0 (AngeloftheNorth 146-171) DemonTree 2 (AngeloftheNorth 146, Thing.Fish 208) LH75 2 (AngeloftheNorth 146, Pardel-Lux 164) Bicycle\_Bill 1 (AngeloftheNorth 146-173, Dizzymrslizzy 227) DizzyMrsLizzy 0 (AngeloftheNorth 146-225, Prof.Pepperwinkle 213-217) AngeloftheNorth 1 (Prof.Pepperwinkle 149-213, Pardel-Lux 164) Pardel-Lux 1 (LH75 212) SunUp 1 (Prof.Pepperwinkle 228) ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/232 "2025-07-16T17:29:53Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > `LH75 -- seems fine. I'm not familiar with them but they seem to have played before.` I have played for years, just not here. I am currently playing at [Mafiascu,/net](https://forum.mafiascum.net) I have also been a member here since July 26th 1999 ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/233 "2025-07-16T17:51:35Z")
Et tu, Brute? (Figured it was topical.) Not that I should object to being singled out when the consistent theme of my posts is the utter unknowability of this game in this format. Nor that my previous post was readable as a plea to be put out early. Plus, this is basically the analog to being picked last for teams in gym class in school, so it’s territory I’m familiar with. But just so I don’t go down without a fight: **vote Prof.Pepperwinkle** Because… the scum always go after the most clued-in townies, right? (Wait a second, that could go both ways…) ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/234 "2025-07-16T18:07:26Z")
Well, I wanted to see what happens and now I am not wiser than before. Just got singled out as a wild accuser. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > `Pardel-Lux -- is throwing wild accusations around in a way that seems unlikely to be scum in his first game` **Thing.Fish** and **Mahaloth** are rising in my personal Scum-O-Meter, but still not enough to vote for them. As for **AngeloftheNorth** **unvote AngeloftheNorth** Thinking about **LH75** , not unvoting so far. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/235 "2025-07-16T18:29:49Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > **vote SunUp** > > Reasons to be divulged later. Well, that’s…interesting. I’ll just put this here for now to remind you to divulge those. **vote Prof. Pepperwinkle** ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/236 "2025-07-16T19:53:32Z")
@AngeloftheNorth: eh. I had an idea, but it kind of fizzled. I asked you and @Thing.Fish about your comments specifically about roles (and, in particular, about watchers and trackers). Here’s why: I was trying to come up with stuff that the Villains know that I don’t. One of those, as it happens, is the mechanism by which the Villains kill at Night. Do they designate an individual killer, who performs the Night Kill as a discrete action? Or do they simply vote on a target and that target is killed (absent other powers intervening)? The former system is perhaps a little more common, but I’ve played both systems a lot and I was surprised that it wasn’t mentioned at all in the rules. Now, watchers and trackers only have value to the Town _at all_ if the Villains have to choose an individual killer. My theory was that someone talking about such roles could potentially be betraying non-public information about the mechanism of the Villains Night Kill. But both of you answered me in such a way as to make it seem to me like you were just sort of making a working assumption. Neither of you reacted defensively or like you thought you might have revealed something. So I think that was a wash… but it was worth trying. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/237 "2025-07-16T19:55:13Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Reasons to be divulged later. Are your reasons “so people will vote for me now?” Because this is starkly anti-Town. **vote Prof.Pepperwinkle** We are well under 24 hours until the deadline - the time for playing coy is probably about over. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/238 "2025-07-16T20:37:07Z")
I haven’t been posting much because I don’t really know anyone or what to look for, and I’ve been busy in other threads. However, checking the list of posters, I was at least 3rd from last when @Thing.Fish posted, which makes me wonder why he’s singling me out as lurking. **vote Thing.Fish** ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/239 "2025-07-16T20:38:05Z")
Here comes the train! **unvote SunUp** First off, I play with SunUp over in the Botticelli thread (a somewhat complex form of 20 Questions), and he’s brilliant at it. Then he comes in and has this lovely, long rigmarole on the number of possible Scum. So, I wonders to meself, what will his newbie reaction be to having a D1 vote on him… a shenanigan vote, if you will. Answer is, pretty typically, a quick revenge vote. On with the game… . ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/240 "2025-07-16T20:46:06Z")
Mahaloth 0 (Prof.Pepperwinkle 2-9, AngeloftheNorth 146-226) Biotop 0 (AngeloftheNorth 146-171) DemonTree 2 (AngeloftheNorth 146, Thing.Fish 208) LH75 2 (AngeloftheNorth 146, Pardel-Lux 164) Bicycle\_Bill 1 (AngeloftheNorth 146-173, Dizzymrslizzy 227) DizzyMrsLizzy 0 (AngeloftheNorth 146-225, Prof.Pepperwinkle 213-217) AngeloftheNorth 0 (Prof.Pepperwinkle 149-213, Pardel-Lux 164-234) Pardel-Lux 1 (LH75 212) SunUp 0 (Prof.Pepperwinkle 228-239) Prof. Pepperwinkle 3 (SunUp 233, Thing.Fish 235, storyteller0910 237) Thing.Fish 1 (DemonTree 238) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789.md?page=13)