# Shakespeare Mafia-- Act I **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [July 12, 2025, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789 "2025-07-12T15:19:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/341 "2025-07-18T21:33:11Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Banquo’s ghost returns in a later scene… You are right, I had forgotten that scene. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/342 "2025-07-18T21:37:54Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > You are right, I had forgotten that scene. I didn’t remember it (I had to look it up 😉) As events unfolded, I thought of now claiming I have a Town Power - but then someone might protect me (to no avail 😨) ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/343 "2025-07-18T23:15:57Z")
To answer a question asked of me: My role was a Major Character but it was not a power role ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/344 "2025-07-18T23:20:51Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I guess I may as well say now: I’m a minor character. Should I give the name? I know I wrote before you did not need to, but I have had second thoughts: As the alphabetical order gives an advantage to the letters at the beginning of the alphabet in case of a tie you should perhaps reveal you stage name if it is in the first quarter of fifth of the alphabet, ie A to F or so. I cannot think of a case that allows milking that information, but perhaps it becomes clearer if the opportunity arises. It would probably be only a small advantage if at all but we’ll need luck anyway so why not? As voting is not relevant again until end D2 there is no hurry to reveal your game name, should you decide to do so despite my previous post. I would wait for other opinions. No, I am not contradicting myself, I just keep overthinking. I am starting to like this game. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/345 "2025-07-18T23:23:47Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Also, Biotop, sorry to lie to you, dear friend, but _that_ was the real reason for the questions about the vig. When I first read my PM I thought I was a vig No problem. 😌 ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/346 "2025-07-18T23:25:29Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > I am starting to like this game. And as many of us can tell you, this is the point of no return. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/347 "2025-07-18T23:49:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **Communication about the game outside of the game thread (or the villain chat) is prohibited.** Will the villain chat be made public when the game is over? > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Cop: Investigates target and learns their alignment. The most powerful role. > Doc: Protects target and prevents them from being killed. May or may not be able to protect self. > Vig: Kills target. > Roleblocker: Prevents other players from using their powers. Variation is Jailkeeper, which also prevents the target from being affected by the powers of others. > Watcher: Learns who else, if anyone, targeted their target with a power. > Tracker: Learns who, if anyone, their target targeted with a power. I don’t know what my power is, but one thing I know: it is none of the above. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/348 "2025-07-19T00:04:03Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Will the villain chat be made public when the game is over? I will try to make it so, and I think I can, but we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/349 "2025-07-19T01:58:38Z")
> [@LH75](#): > > To answer a question asked of me: My role was a Major Character but it was not a power role Good to hear from you! Um, I thought the definition of a Major character in this game was that they have a Power? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/350 "2025-07-19T03:40:44Z")
@LH75, unless we find out all dead players can talk, that _is_ your power. I had a ghost role in my Tweeter and the Monkeyman game (that was on Facebook, a year before I met you guys). It’s beneficial for Town to have a cleared player as a consultant, even if you can’t vote. I kind of like Biotop’s idea of giving you a vote by proxy though. Just not sure how it would work practically. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/351 "2025-07-19T03:42:15Z")
Also @LH75, I meant to ask you yesterday, do you know AskthePizzaGuy? ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/352 "2025-07-19T11:29:58Z")
@AngeloftheNorth I have seen his handle around in a few posts but I have not interacted with him that I can recall ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/353 "2025-07-19T12:23:05Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I kind of like Biotop’s idea of giving you a vote by proxy though. Just not sure how it would work practically. Given we players have multi-votes, one way would be for me to vote for myself and also accept LH75’s recommendation as a second vote. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/354 "2025-07-19T12:29:36Z")
But if you vote as yourself for A and LH75 asks you to vote for A too somebody else who would not have voted for A as himself will have to step in. If you did not intend to vote for A in the first place there is no problem, but if you do the solution is not trivial. You need a suitable **[substitute](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eswQl-hcvU0&list=RDeswQl-hcvU0&start_radio=1)**. Voting _for_ yourself, on the other hand, sounds almost like suicide. Suicide and Shakespeare go well together 😉 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/355 "2025-07-19T12:42:48Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > But if you vote as yourself for A and LH75 asks you to vote for A too somebody else who would not have voted for A as himself will have to step in. Sorry, I don’t see that. If I suspect A and so does LH75, why not have both of us vote for them? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/356 "2025-07-19T12:44:44Z")
LH75 cannot vote himself, you are voting for him. But you cannot vote twice for A. Thus, if he wants somebody to vote for A, it cannot be you, it will have to be somebody else. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/357 "2025-07-19T12:55:09Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > But you cannot vote twice for A Aha! Thank you - well played. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/358 "2025-07-19T12:58:10Z")
Neat idea with LH75 and kinda neat to let them have a vote still. I’m cool with it. Do we need to pre-determine which player will place LH75’s vote? I’d say do a randomizer or something? Or does it not matter? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/359 "2025-07-19T13:09:17Z")
Has someone thought of what it would mean if the randomizer picked a Villain? I see two possibilities: The Villain, call him B, is told to vote for C. First possibility: he knows, being a villain, that C is not scum, so he would say that he planned to vote for C too, please pass the vote to someone alse who did not plan to vote C, call him D (who could also be scum, etc.). So the villain gets an additional vote against C: LH75’s, executed by somebody else, and his own. The other possibility is that he knows that C is a villain. Then he will vote only once for C as instructed, so as not to raise suspicion. So if LH75 chooses or randomizes a Villain to execute his will and he chooses a Villain as target the Villain will be voted once. If he chooses Town as target, Town will get two votes. I see an assimetry here that favours Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2025, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-i/1020789/360 "2025-07-19T13:11:26Z")
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