# Shakespeare Mafia -- Act IV (Game Over) **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [August 2, 2025, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624 "2025-08-02T15:30:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/61 "2025-08-07T13:06:48Z")
Right. Thanks. That makes more sense. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/62 "2025-08-07T13:07:03Z")
I should have nobly sacrificed myself after all, either of you would have won tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/63 "2025-08-07T13:08:23Z")
I still do not know why I died Night 1. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/64 "2025-08-07T13:09:22Z")
So, with hindsight, had I not redirected **Dizzymrslizzy** ’s [ETA: not her, but **AngeloftheNorth** , sorry] name cop from **Mahalot** to **Thing.Fish** , but instead redirected my murder towards the same **Thing.Fish** , we would have killed **Thing.Fish** , found out that **Mahalot** was a Villain, I would have survived and the road to victory would have been wide open for us. So: my fault, one wrong move, **Mahalot** was protected, **Thing.Fish** survived one more Day and I got killed. And we would have gotten **Biotop** too, right? Who did that, how and why? Greatest mistery to me. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/65 "2025-08-07T13:09:52Z")
I would like to make the villain chat public, but the way I thought I could do it doesn’t seem to work. I’ll try again later. To explain that bizarre Night 1: - @Dizzymrslizzy , who played Brutus, the vigilante, thought that her power might be some sort of investigator. So she targeted a skilled player, @Biotop, whom it would be valuable to know the alignment of. - @AngeloftheNorth , who played Hamlet, correctly suspected that she was an investigator, and so also targeted a skilled player, @Thing.Fish . - @Pardel-Lux , who played Robin Goodfellow, the redirector, didn’t know how to use his power, but only that to use it, he had to target exactly two people. And so he chose to target the two people of whom he was most suspicious, @Mahaloth and @Thing.Fish . With the result that anything targeting either one of them would instead target the other. - And speaking of @Pardel-Lux and his top two suspicions, didn’t anyone ever wonder why the Scum team would choose to target the newbie player with a power he didn’t understand, over the veteran player who said she thought she understood her power? That was why. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Bianca comes before Bouchier… why was I slain? His full role name was “Cardinal Bouchier”. Cardinal comes after Bianca. And I did ask Mahaloth who he’d kill, to be sure, because after all, he could have made a mistake and killed @DemonTree . But he didn’t fall for it: His kill order was “Whichever of Storyteller and Prof.Pepperwinkle survives”. I have to go now, but I’ll be back this evening for more discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/66 "2025-08-07T13:09:55Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I should have nobly sacrificed myself after all, either of you would have won tomorrow. That would have been very Shakespearian. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/67 "2025-08-07T13:14:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > @AngeloftheNorth , who played Hamlet, correctly suspected that she was an investigator, and so also targeted a skilled player, @Thing.Fish . I think this was not so: **AngeloftheNorth** targeted **Mahalot** , I unknowingly redirected that inquiry towards **Thing.Fish**. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/68 "2025-08-07T13:15:02Z")
Thanks for the game, all. I wish I could have played longer! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/69 "2025-08-07T13:17:55Z")
🥳 MY BEST GAME EITHER EVER IN A REALLY LONG TIME! Our scum team was picked off so quickly, I talked about resignation on the villain chat since I figured I would collect votes and that I would be investigated. I just kept on going, though, and for some reason suspicion seemed to move off me. Why do I feel like I may die day 1 in the next game? I swear I play about the same as scum or town! 🥳 ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/70 "2025-08-07T13:31:48Z")
Mahaloth, you cannot say in the future that Day 1 is a crapshoot since the entire villain team got targeted for our D1 performance. I think Day 1 is the absolute hardest for Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/71 "2025-08-07T13:33:43Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > the entire villain team got targeted Yes, you were. But, alas!, with the wrong weapons. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/72 "2025-08-07T13:39:53Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > That would have been very Shakespearian. Yeah. I was reluctant to give up our last chance of banishing a villain when there were so many unknowns, but I should have suggested it. Story and ProfP really seemed to be onto something, though, and a 2/3 chance of getting the villain seemed like a good bet. What I want to know is whether @Dizzymrslizzy killed @SunUp . I couldn’t understand that at all; I’d probably have offed @Mahaloth night 2 if I’d been the vigilante, and if not, definitely on night 3. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/73 "2025-08-07T14:46:28Z")
1. Boo, obviously, to the result. 2. HUGE credit to **Mahaloth**. You had me completely fooled. I was like 80% sure Prof.P was Iago, and I’d have gone for DemonTree before I went in your direction. Great game! 3. Like DemonTree, I am very curious as to why @Dizzymrslizzy killed SunUp instead of Mahaloth, given that Lizzy was suspicious of Mahaloth the prior Day. 4. Thank you, @Chronos, for hosting! On the whole, I thought this was among the very best Mafia setups I’ve played - simple enough to be digestible, but just enough moving parts and uncertainty to keep us talking and guessing. I hope we can do this again soon! Playing in this one made me want to moderate again - if there’s interest, I’d volunteer to host here in a week or two. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/74 "2025-08-07T14:52:06Z")
Yay scum! Thanks for carrying us home, Mahaloth!! (good game to all you townie sorts too) ---
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/75 "2025-08-07T14:53:49Z")
I’m out right now and can’t make a big post but I have a lot to share! yes I shot Biotop, Bicycle and Sunup. Reasons coming tonight ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/76 "2025-08-07T15:10:46Z")
Obviously I pulled out the “et tu, Brute?” line a little too soon. Gotta give props to Mahaloth for sitting back and letting town do itself in, with just enough contribution to avoid suspicion. Well played, sir! And thanks to our GM Chronos, who made my first go around at this game online a pleasure. Really enjoyed the theme and the chance to brush up on my Shakespeare. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/77 "2025-08-07T15:40:30Z")
I think repeating here what I just wrote in the spectator’s thread is OK: > [@Spectators' thread for Shakespeare Mafia (no active players, please)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectators-thread-for-shakespeare-mafia-no-active-players-please/1020790/61): > > Another thing I want to observe is that when at the end of Day 1 I commented a list of possible powers that I did not know what my power was, but that I knew that it was none of the above nobody wondered how I knew that. There was a reason for me knowing that. I don’t know in retrospect whether I woud have given the reason if asked, but nobody even asked. > [@Spectators' thread for Shakespeare Mafia (no active players, please)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectators-thread-for-shakespeare-mafia-no-active-players-please/1020790/72): > > Can you tell us the reason now? Now I can, so those were my instruccions: > [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1020778/1): > > You are Robin Goodfellow, a major character. > > ROBIN > I took him sleeping—that is finished, too— > And the Athenian woman by his side, > That, when he waked, of force she must be eyed. > OBERON > Stand close. This is the same Athenian. > ROBIN > This is the woman, but not this the man. > > - A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Act III, scene 2, lines 40-44 > > Every night, you **may** target exactly two players. If I have to target two players or none, my power could not be any of the powers listed by **Thing.Fish** , because those powers only workd for one player: vig, name cop, doctor… And it was the word “target” which led my overthinking astray: I read “target” as an act that does harm, so it did not cross my mind that I could target myself and someone I thought a Villain. Claiming to be a major character and redirecting Scum’s killing towards someone I suspected to be Scum would have been a brilliant move. On the other hand, had I chosen myself and **Biotop** \* (instead of myself **Thing.Fish** , the best move, or **Mahaloth** , the other suspect I had in mind), who got targeted by **Dizzymrslizzy** , we would both be dead and nobody could have known that it was not those who thought they had killed each one of us who had indeed killed us, but a ricochet: Scum would have killed **Biotop** , not me, and **Dizzymrslizzy** would have killed me, not **Biotop**. But nobody would have been able to tell the difference. Only you, **AngeloftheNorth** , would have known that **Mahaloth** was Scum, but then you would not have known that **Thing.Fish** was Scum. Would that have been better? No idea. And as my power would have had no effect I would not have known what it was and the rest of the players would wrongly assume that I had not used it. But that would have had no consequences that I can see. > [@Spectators' thread for Shakespeare Mafia (no active players, please)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spectators-thread-for-shakespeare-mafia-no-active-players-please/1020790/66): > > And Kudos to Pardel-Lux for what may have been the game-winning play N1! The optimum move would have been targeting **myself** and **Thing.Fish**. Assuming you would have targeted **Mahaloth** (as you did) and **Dizzimrslizzy** had targeted **Biotop** (as she did), we would have won on Night 2. Sorry, it was not to be. I did not have enough beginner’s luck! I came close, but as they say in German: _Knapp daneben ist auch vorbei_. (**[DeepL](https://www.deepl.com/en/translator#de/en-us/Knapp%2520daneben%2520ist%2520auch%2520vorbei)** translates this as “close, but no cigar”. Which I in turn would rate as a “close, but no cigar” translation). \* To be frank, I was not suspecting **Biotop** at all, so it is unlikely that I would have picked him. But the consequences, had I done so, would have been what I have written. I believe. Probably. Yeah. Hum. [/quote] And I just see that I forgot to thank @Chronos for a very interesting experience. You put a lot of effort into this, it was a pleasure! Well done! Should you people play this game again I would like to participate again if you accept me. And I promise I will not give away that I am a major character on the very first night! Although I still think that a Scum role would be better adapted to my… 😈 inclinations. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/78 "2025-08-07T15:41:01Z")
Angel and her adult daughter are starting up another game over on Giraffe as we speak. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/79 "2025-08-07T16:09:50Z")
Thank you @Chronos for the game. I want to tell you all that I really thought any 1-2 or 2-2 situation with Town vs. Scum ended in scum winning the game. I actually had a scare realizing that while I was likely going to be 1-1 at the end of the game, I might be screwed. I did a deep dive and realized my goal: Keep @DemonTree alive! I was Iago, so both Prof. and Story were above me and I can not tell you how: - furious - upset - regretful I’d have been to lose in a 1-1 tie when mafia pretty much always gives ties to scum. From a moderating and game-creation perspective, I’d probably make 1-1 a scum win even with a tie breaking mechanism just to reward them for making it to game end. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/80 "2025-08-07T16:11:14Z")
Mahaloth, that was truly a jegendary win for you and your team. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624.md?page=5)