# Shakespeare Mafia -- Act IV (Game Over) **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [August 2, 2025, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624 "2025-08-02T15:30:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Dizzymrslizzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Dizzymrslizzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dizzymrslizzy)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/101 "2025-08-07T21:28:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If then that friend > demand why Brutus rose against Caesar, this is my > answer: not that I loved Caesar less, but that I loved > Rome more. Had you rather Caesar were living, and > die all slaves, than that Caesar were dead, to live all > freemen? As Caesar loved me, I weep for him. As he > was fortunate, I rejoice at it. As he was valiant, I > honor him. But, as he was ambitious, I slew him. > > - Julius Caesar, Act III, scene 2, lines 21-28 Nope, I took it clearly as color……. From my POV my only instruction was that I had to target one player, and honestly I didn’t even see the must until right now! The only reason I was worried Id do something bad was because Brutus turned on Caesar…..I didn’t think it was clear in any way. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/102 "2025-08-07T22:06:54Z")
> [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > D3 - I was so drunk with WIFOM I couldn’t think straight. I wasn’t planning on shooting because I thought there was only 1 villan left, but you guys convinced me that there were 2, and with 2 villans left, I decided I had a good shot at hitting one. Dumb dumb. So I went for the “2nd one”. Assuming Mahaloth was the first. Stupid, I should have just hit Mahaloth. I also was questioning Story at that point. Ah, now it makes more sense. I never really believed there were 4 villains, and I was so confused by this death. Congratulations to @Mahaloth for somehow surviving in very difficult circumstances! And thanks to @Chronos for running the game. I would also be interested in playing again, if anyone wants me. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/103 "2025-08-07T22:09:19Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I would also be interested in playing again, if anyone wants me. there are sign-ups right now on Giraffeboard. Join us there. It’s fun! > **[Sleepover Supernatural - The Giraffe Boards](https://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?p=1856184&posted=1#post1856184)** > > Sleepover Supernatural Observatory ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/104 "2025-08-07T22:19:03Z")
Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/105 "2025-08-07T22:31:33Z")
This is hilarious but also human. It’s Shakespeare. Perfectly clear if you know the role and read the color, maybe not so much if you just read the name. I can forgive @Pardel-Lux, new to the game, slightly weird role. But for experienced mafia players to treat it all as color . . . ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/106 "2025-08-08T01:11:14Z")
Well, let’s see… 1. I know for a fact I’m a pretty mediocre player, so I frequently make this kind of mistake. 2. Most of us experienced players haven’t actually been playing for the last 2 or 3 years because of changes at the Giraffe Boards, and we’re rusty. 3. It’s a lot, lot, lot easier to see these things as a spectator than when you’re in the game itself. ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/107 "2025-08-08T01:25:52Z")
Yeah, I can see point three in particular. Had I been playing, I don’t know that I’d have called your votes out as scummy but I night have called them out as annoying. And you’d have explained yourself adequately and id be no wiser as to whom to vote for (or not and maybe other people would vote for you too). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/108 "2025-08-08T01:29:08Z")
Alas, we’re getting close again to that time of year when I won’t have enough time to play, so I’ll have to sit out. If anyone wants to run one starting next June or so, let me know! ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/109 "2025-08-08T01:30:08Z")
But if you’ll note, until the last Day, nobody really voted for me. And the two who did vote for me were an OMGUS vote and the last Villain. I’m usually pretty sharp at infuriating players and then talking my way out of it. It’s my one strong point. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/110 "2025-08-08T01:30:41Z")
Ahem. THANKS AGAIN!!! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/111 "2025-08-08T01:52:21Z")
Your vote on Storyteller was a weak one, though. It relied on too many things. First, it relied on you being honest about your role name, which of course you knew, but nobody else did. Second, it relied on the Scum having a role-investigator (which they didn’t, though you didn’t know that). Third, it relied on that investigator having targeted you specifically, before the slip, which IIRC meant on the very first Night. Fourth, it relied on Storyteller being so interested in your role name that he’d think of you primarily in those terms, rather than all of the many other ways he could think of you (from prior knowledge, or from your avatar, etc.). Certainly, no matter how you slice it, Storyteller made a mistake. Your theory was just that he made a mistake with a lot of other steps. It’s not so ludicrously weak a vote that I’d have voted you for it. It’s far better than Mahaloth’s “just a hunch” vote (which, again, nobody took note of, even though they really should have). But I certainly wouldn’t have followed you on it. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/112 "2025-08-08T02:12:48Z")
Yeah, but, Chronos, to me you are a known commodity. Ever since the first game I’ve played you’ve thought my gameplay sucks. You are often right in that, as you’ve detailed just now, but it doesn’t deter me from sticking with my peculiarities. However, if I’m in a game with you, I do pay more attention to your advice than many others. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/113 "2025-08-08T03:57:22Z")
Yes, @DemonTree, please join us! ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/114 "2025-08-08T05:02:07Z")
> [@Eureka](#): > > How _interesting_. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a power role quite like that. > > Possibly fun, definitely lots of room for overthinking what the best move might be. > > And a “major character” with a power that may or may not be all that useful, because Town powers tend not to co-ordinate early on, because too early reveals are generally considered risky and bad for Town. The commonly used term for Robin Goodfellow’s power is “Bus Driver.” Traditionally a town role but one that also is often seen as frequently more a liability for Town than an asset. ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/115 "2025-08-08T08:14:06Z")
Makes sense. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/116 "2025-08-08T16:00:07Z")
I see from a scan through the Spectator thread that I was generally/tonally suspicious to a lot of observers. That’s interesting to me - what was I doing that was reading off/non-Town? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624/117 "2025-08-08T21:55:33Z")
For myself, I think it was an absolutely classic case of confirmation bias. Something about your posting struck me as off. I was reading a tone of being overly reasonable; that is, it felt to me like you were _trying_ too hard. From that minor vibe, I started to interpret what you were saying to fit that preconceived notion and I was off to the races. It’s a really perfect example of what not to do in Mafia, and I’m glad I wasn’t playing 💩 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shakespeare-mafia-act-iv-game-over/1021624.md?page=5)