# Shaman vs Spacemen **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 11, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224 "2014-09-11T19:38:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/1 "2014-09-11T19:38:50Z")
It’s pretty trendy nowadays to go to the jungle and speak with mother ayahuasca, who will - they say - help to bring the wisdom of the forest into your psyche and help inspire you to heal the planet and the human race. Yet mankind looks destined for space migration, and it doesn’t look like we will take the forest with us, so will we at some point have to become detached from any “spiritual connection” with the Earth ? Or do we have some sort of _Silent Running_ deal in the works ? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/2 "2014-09-11T19:48:12Z")
Could you run that by again? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/3 "2014-09-11T19:51:13Z")
I rather suspect there’s not much overlap between the sort of people who try to commune with vegetation and those who want to colonize space. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/4 "2014-09-11T19:57:00Z")
If you can lift a human into space, establish an enclosed ecosystem and exploit space resources then you can drag along a few hundred acorns. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/5 "2014-09-11T19:57:27Z")
You’re asking why we don’t plan on [tripping out on drugs when we venture out into space?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca) Because that would be a very stupid thing to do, and would probably get us killed in no time flat. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/6 "2014-09-11T19:58:23Z")
The earth is the womb of humanity, yes at some times we will need to leave the womb and become space borne. We lose a connection with our mother when we are born, the umbilical is cut, but that is only because we no longer require it for that level of life support, but the bond of Love between mother and child can never be severed. It is not a a spiritual detachment, but a time of spiritual evolution and growth and a celebration a time of great happiness as our attachment is now expanded to the travel-able areas of space. New friends, new places of attachment. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/7 "2014-09-11T20:00:57Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I rather suspect there’s not much overlap between the sort of people who try to commune with vegetation and those who want to colonize space. Depends. Some of the more famous trippers, Leary for instance, have been very into the idea of space migration. I think there’s a big overlap between counter culture, sci fi and space exploration. But I can’t really see how the vogue for returning to nature via ayahuasca fits in with this, even though it’s proponents claim it is something that the future of humanity needs. Mostly it seems like some stuff the ayahuasceros come out with because they don’t know anything about modern technological civilization. Or am I wrong ? You could, for instance, have a read of this here [Timothy Leary's Neurocomics! - Album on Imgur](https://imgur.com/a/Ms1HW/noscript) ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/8 "2014-09-11T20:03:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You’re asking why we don’t plan on [tripping out on drugs when we venture out into space?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca) > Because that would be a very stupid thing to do, and would probably get us killed in no time flat. That’s why we will wait until the straight edges have already colonized a new home and then we will bring the fun plants with us. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/9 "2014-09-11T20:04:50Z")
Folks, ayahuasca is a psychedelic brew. The only “communing” that you will be doing is with your drool. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/10 "2014-09-11T20:08:47Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The earth is the womb of humanity, yes at some times we will need to leave the womb and become space borne. We lose a connection with our mother when we are born, the umbilical is cut, but that is only because we no longer require it for that level of life support, but the bond of Love between mother and child can never be severed. It is not a a spiritual detachment, but a time of spiritual evolution and growth and a celebration a time of great happiness as our attachment is now expanded to the travel-able areas of space. New friends, new places of attachment. Yeah, well I’m taking my cell phone. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/11 "2014-09-11T20:11:08Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > Yet mankind looks destined for space migration, and it doesn’t look like we will take the forest with us, so will we at some point have to become detached from any “spiritual connection” with the Earth ? Well, we’ll at least need to reach an escape velocity to detach from any “gravitational connection”. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/12 "2014-09-11T20:13:01Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Yeah, well I’m taking my cell phone. Wait till you see the roaming charges. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/13 "2014-09-11T20:18:05Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Wait till you see the roaming charges. Wait til you see where you end up when you try to run Google Map through your Ouija Board. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/14 "2014-09-11T20:19:32Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Wait till you see the roaming charges. Crap. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/15 "2014-09-11T20:28:02Z")
You pups don’t know what [Silent Running](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkF05D-NJMU) is do you ? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/16 "2014-09-11T20:37:20Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > You pups don’t know what [Silent Running](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkF05D-NJMU) is do you ? Sure-Overwrought illogical twaddle designed to pull at the heartstrings of the typical '70s movie goer. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/17 "2014-09-11T20:40:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Sure-Overwrought illogical twaddle designed to pull at the heartstrings of the typical '70s movie goer. Sir, you are describing most of the films made in the 1970s. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/18 "2014-09-11T20:42:28Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Sir, you are describing most of the films made in the 1970s. More than likely. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/19 "2014-09-11T20:44:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Sure-Overwrought illogical twaddle designed to pull at the heartstrings of the typical '70s movie goer. Soulless cynicism from the country that worships Ayn Rand. I’m not surpised. Don’t forget your ritalin. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224/20 "2014-09-11T20:54:06Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > Soulless cynicism from the country that worships Ayn Rand. I’m not surpised. Don’t forget your ritalin. 1. Ayn Rand’s philosophies and I are not exactly on speaking terms. A minute’s worth of research will show you that. 2. Putting down Ritalin while espousing ayahuasca psycho psoup is not very consistent. 3. What the hell does _Silent Running_ have to do with this conversation(such as it is)? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shaman-vs-spacemen/698224.md?page=2)