# Shame on France and Germany

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-france-and-germany/167557>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [April 9, 2003, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-france-and-germany/167557 "2003-04-09T15:13:10Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 2\
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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2003, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-france-and-germany/167557/41 "2003-04-10T15:44:49Z")

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> \*Originally posted by OliverH \*You are mistaken. The French, in fact, took the position that you assign to the Germans.

Lacking any but a vague recollection of their respective stances, I am happy to concede the point for the moment.

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**Author:** ![Creative\_Munster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Creative\_Munster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Creative_Munster)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2003, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-france-and-germany/167557/42 "2003-04-10T15:58:42Z")

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> \*Originally posted by diffdam \*  
> \*\*By your logic newcrasher the UK should not be with the US as the US let London & other cities burn & refused to help until it was itself [attacked.US](http://attacked.US) did not declare war on Germany - Germany declared 10 days after pearl harbour.  
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The US provided the UK with armaments and war materiel years prior to sending in troops after the declaration of war. The crews of those merchant ships were brave and risked their lives in doing so. So, I think you were a bit hasty in asserting that the US refused to help.

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