# Shame on those that refuse the vaccine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870 "2021-07-20T01:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![kitap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kitap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitap)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/181 "2021-07-22T08:44:03Z")
> [@Mr\_Hoogly](#): > > Like the people who were told covid killed as many young people as old and believed it? Lots of people **wondered** because they worry about a repeat of the Spanish flu, which killed huge numbers of people under 40. There is a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/182 "2021-07-22T08:54:27Z")
> [@Mr\_Hoogly](#): > > Still waiting for an answer by any of you, ha ha. Already explained in this very thread, several times, including in great detail: > [@Gyrate](#): > > The main concept people need to grasp is this: the goal is not “risk elimination”, it’s “risk reduction”. That’s very important. > > To use an example: if you drive or ride in a car, you can never completely eliminate the risk of dying in a car crash. But we have developed myriad risk reduction methods, from speed limits and drunk driving laws to seatbelts and airbags to better road designs. None of those things are guaranteed to save your life in a crash, but the risk of death or serious injury is a lot smaller. > > Likewise, vaccines are not magic potions that give you a 100% impenetrable bubble against viruses. No vaccine is 100% effective, and not everyone _can_ be vaccinated. They do, however, greatly reduce transmissibility - which means that if _enough_ people get vaccinated, the transmission rate will be so low the virus will stop circulating and the pandemic will be over. Conversely, if too many people remain unvaccinated and the virus continues to circulate freely, new variants will arise which may (or may not) be worse. > > Vaccines also reduce (but not completely eliminate) the risk of you having any symptoms and of you have a severe reaction to the virus. Note that at present the vast majority of people being hospitalized with - and dying of - COVID are unvaccinated. > > The same applies to wearing masks and social distancing. They _reduce_ risk of transmission; they don’t eliminate it. And masks are even more about preventing _you_ from infecting _others_ rather than protecting you directly (and remember that you may never know if you’re infected, but you can still pass it on to someone who will have a much more adverse reaction). When enough people do it, it works. > > I get that the lack of certainty and the long time it’s taking to get to where we need to be is frustrating. And the fact that - even with vaccines and masks and social distancing - the risk of catching and/or passing on the virus still exists can make you wonder why anyone should bother. > > But all you’re being asked to do is to be a responsible adult for a little while, in order to help save others’ lives as well as your own. If you can’t manage that, well, that’s on you. We’ve answered the question over and over. It’s not our fault you’re too stupid to understand the answer. > [@Pitchmeister](#): > > Who told them that? Cite please. You know - “them”. “They” are saying that. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > There is only one reason for people not getting vaccinated if they have access to a vaccine, and it is that they are fucking morons. Well, technically there are also a tiny minority who cannot get vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons. But being a “fucking moron” is not a legitimate medical reason. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/183 "2021-07-22T09:04:20Z")
This isn’t complicated @Mr_Hoogly. We got the numbers down by getting people vaccinated. But, now that this has stopped, the new variants are leading to the numbers going back up again. My own county is back to peak leves because of this. Because we didn’t mandate the vaccine when we should have, things are getting worse again. We need to be able to stamp this virus out completely. And we can’t do that as long as people keep getting swindled into not vaccinating. The reasons anyone gives for not vaccinating are profoundly stupid. There’s some impossible tech in the vaccine that tracks you. The vaccine can somehow infect others. The vaccine is supposedly unsafe–when Tylenol is less safe. It doesn’t harm pregnancy. It doesn’t kill people. People bring up that “only 2% of people” don’t die from COVID 19. So it’s okay to just get the virus. But then they care that 0.0001% of people died from the vaccine, but they won’t get the vaccine. You’d think learning that so many people are still sufferring from “long COVID” would make you want to prevent that. Even if all that happened was the inability taste food anymore, you’d think that would be enough to get a little jab. But no. We’re at our wits end. You anti-vaxxers come up with the stupidest reasons not to take the vaccine, and nothing we say or do gets you to realize it. You want to act like little children whose only real objection is “How dare you tell me what to do?” Then why shouldn’t we treat you like children and force you to get the shot for your own benefit, as well as ours? I fucking hate that assholes like you are why I still have to go out with a mask to avoid the risk of killing people. So, so many dead people because of you shitheads. If it were up to me, you’d be in jail, rotting with the other murderers. And, what’s even dumber is that you can’t win. Any other disease that is this deadly and this contagious eventually results in required vaccinations. All the vaccines you got as a kid were required. We were stupid to think that not requiring this would get more people to vaccinate sooner. We will stop you from hurting others. We will return this world back to normal, even if we have to drag you back, kicking and screaming. You utter selfishness will not win. Heck, I’m still not sure you’re not just a troll. That’s how utterly stupid you sound. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/184 "2021-07-22T09:54:43Z")
> [@Mr\_Hoogly](#): > > You have no idea what reasons people have for not wanting the vaccine. I find it simplest to assume that the actual reason is childish fear of needles, and everything else is rationalization to conceal their cowardice. ---
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/185 "2021-07-22T10:13:32Z")
Side rant related to this one. Why does anyone have to justify to anyone else getting the vaccine? I have heard several people tell others that they got the vaccine because mumble mumble reasons. I got the vaccine because I don’t want to get sick with COVID and I don’t want to die, that is why you get vaccines and I am not going to justify it otherwise. Wearing a mask is about protecting others, but getting a vaccine is about protecting yourself and as a side benefit others, but I don’t have to give a litany of reasons to anyone, just the not wanting to die part should be obvious and sufficient. `//i\\` ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/186 "2021-07-22T13:43:23Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Read this, if you can read, or if you can think, both of which I rather doubt. > [@BigT](#): > > But then they care that 0.0001% of people died from the vaccine, He’s already said he doesn’t trust anything in “the media,” or any statistics from the government. They all have an agenda, you see. So haha, you’ll never fool him! ---
**Author:** ![Jumpbass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jumpbass/32/147_2.png) [@Jumpbass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jumpbass)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/187 "2021-07-22T14:14:01Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > He’s already said he doesn’t trust anything in “the media,” or any statistics from the government. They all have an agenda, you see. So haha, you’ll never fool him! Nope, he’s fooled himself. My late grandfather, a polio victim, would probably have a few choice words about not getting vaccinated. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/188 "2021-07-22T14:16:04Z")
This is Nazi MAGA shit that you’re justifying to yourself because the MAGA anti-vax people are the bad guys, and because you’re in a safe space where everyone hates stupid Republicans. But you are a sick fuck. You’re cheering for the mental degenerates to die. There will never be an actual blue MAGA, because in total, collectively, that group of people isn’t capable of it, but you, personally, are no different from the rest of those sickos. If Joe Biden wanted to be Trump, you’d wear the hat. They’re stupid and ignorant. But they could always learn something tomorrow. You’ll always be deranged. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/189 "2021-07-22T14:17:14Z")
> [@Jumpbass](#): > > Nope, he’s fooled himself. Unfortunately, he and people like him are fooling thousands of others by spreading this line of “thinking” on Facebook. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/190 "2021-07-22T14:36:27Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > They’re stupid and ignorant. But they could always learn something tomorrow. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/191 "2021-07-22T14:44:36Z")
This place is nothing if not consistent. You just knew that was coming. Ha ha ha, they’re dumb, it’s funny and cute that another hundred thousand will die choking. Anyway, here you are: [DeSantis: ‘These vaccines are saving lives’](https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/07/21/desantis-these-vaccines-are-saving-lives/) ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/192 "2021-07-22T14:44:42Z")
People have valid reasons for refusing vaccines. My understanding is that they do not always protect against obvious trolls. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/193 "2021-07-22T15:06:44Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > But you are a sick fuck. You’re cheering for the mental degenerates to die. On the one hand, it’s not cool to cheer on the deaths of ignorant people. On the other hand, cheering on deaths doesn’t actually cause deaths. Vaccine refusal does cause deaths. These people are personally complicit in this, they act in a manner that directly caused the deaths of thousands of people, and will cause the deaths of thousands more. To put an even sharper point on it, @Siam_Sam has done more to save the lives of the Republicans he hates than any non-vaxxer who purports to love them. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/194 "2021-07-22T15:17:39Z")
Being anti-vax and cheering for anti-vaxxers is bad, yes. Of course, anyone supporting that viewpoint by openly rooting for vaccinated people to die horribly because they’re probably Democrats would be summarily banned. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/195 "2021-07-22T15:18:20Z")
> [@Mr\_Hoogly](#): > > Like the people who were told covid killed as many young people as old and believed it? You’re human garbage. Get vaccinated though, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2021, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/196 "2021-07-22T15:23:55Z")
I don’t wish anti-vaxxers dead. I just wish that all whose deaths are caused by anti-vax bullshit were the anti-vaxxers themselves. Alas, diseases are not so obligingly karmic. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/197 "2021-07-23T04:29:37Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > This is Nazi MAGA shit that you’re justifying to yourself because the MAGA anti-vax people are the bad guys, and because you’re in a safe space where everyone hates stupid Republicans. But you are a sick fuck. You’re cheering for the mental degenerates to die. There will never be an actual blue MAGA, because in total, collectively, that group of people isn’t capable of it, but you, personally, are no different from the rest of those sickos. If Joe Biden wanted to be Trump, you’d wear the hat. > > They’re stupid and ignorant. But they could always learn something tomorrow. You’ll always be deranged. Extra points if they’re in Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/198 "2021-07-23T04:37:02Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Being anti-vax and cheering for anti-vaxxers is bad, yes. Of course, anyone supporting that viewpoint by openly rooting for vaccinated people to die horribly because they’re probably Democrats would be summarily banned. I don’t think anyone is hoping that Republicans will die horribly. They’re just hoping that anti-vaxx dipshits endangering other people will die horribly. Of course most of them are Republicans, because the vast majority of dipshits are Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/199 "2021-07-23T04:43:06Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I don’t wish anti-vaxxers dead. I just wish that all whose deaths are caused by anti-vax bullshit were the anti-vaxxers themselves. Yeah, pretty much what I said. I never wished anyone dead, just said I could not care less if they did die. And that’s because it’s their own fault and they pretty much deserve it. I’m not going to boo-hoo over them. If the **Jimmy Shitwoods** of the world want to misconstrue that, no skin off my nose. Just helps me know whom to Ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2021, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/200 "2021-07-23T05:41:28Z")
I would go further and claim near certainty that, if push came to shove, no one here expressing such views actually want more Covid deaths even among the anti-vaxers They are just venting and blowing off steam against the rampant dangerous stupidity exhibited by the subject of this thread, and are fantasizing about the poetic justice they could receive. We’re is the pit which is the proper place to engage in this sort of antagonistic hyperbole so it does need to be taken with a grain of salt. (pro tip @Jimmy_Chitwood most pit posters also realize that goat felching is extremely rare and it is highly unlikely that any particular person they happen to have a bone to pick with actually engages in said behavior in spite of any accusations they may make.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870.md?page=11)