# Shame on those that refuse the vaccine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870 "2021-07-20T01:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![kitap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kitap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitap)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/321 "2021-07-29T08:55:59Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > > [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > > > And this is perfectly reasonable. The rants here are for the people who are healthy, where there is no physical reason they couldn’t get the vaccine and they refuse to for a myriad of unreasonable “reasons” > > It’s reasonable? My pre-existing condition made it _all the more importan_t to get vaccinated. It is the people with pre-existing conditions who are more likely to die from it. Some people have health conditions that preclude their being vaccinated. People undergoing chemo, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/322 "2021-07-29T12:15:48Z")
> [@kitap](#): > > Some people have health conditions that preclude their being vaccinated. People undergoing chemo, for example. It’s even more important for folks getting chemo to get the vaccine now. It may be less effective in inducing immunity, but it is not contra-indicated. There are really very few hard and fast medical contra-indications to getting vaccinated. Below are the current recommendations on those over age 12 who should NOT be vaccinated for COVID. The only **contraindications** to COVID-19 vaccination are allergic reactions to the COVID-19 vaccines or their components. •Severe allergic reaction (eg, anaphylaxis) to a previous COVID-19 vaccine dose or to a component of the vaccine. •Immediate allergic reaction of any severity (including hives) developing within four hours of a previous COVID-19 vaccine dose or known (diagnosed) allergy to a component of the vaccine. Isolated hives that develop more than four hours after vaccine receipt are unlikely to represent an allergic reaction to the vaccine. **Precautions** – Precautions to vaccination also consist of allergic reactions. These precautions warrant longer post-vaccination monitoring than usual. •Immediate allergic reaction to any other (non-COVID-19) vaccine or injectable therapy. Allergy consultation can be helpful to evaluate suspected allergic reactions to a COVID-19 vaccine or its components and assess the risk of future COVID-19 vaccination. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/323 "2021-07-29T15:18:25Z")
> [@kitap](#): > > Some people have health conditions that preclude their being vaccinated How well will these people handle contracting Covid 19? ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/324 "2021-07-29T15:36:01Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > How well will these people handle contracting Covid 19? Not well, I imagine. But I’m the primary caretaker for my 88-year-old father, who resides in a memory care facility. And obviously, given the age of the residents there, a lot of residents have issues that may involve the immune system. I’m no medical expert by any stretch of the imagination. But I do know that, for some residents there, vaccines are apparently contra-indicated. I can’t speak with the slightest degree of authority on whether or not that’s medically sound. But the fact is that there are residents in my father’s facility that have not been vaccinated. Maybe that’s right, maybe that’s wrong. All I will say is that, since I visit my father as often as humanly possible, the fact that there are unvaxxed people there imposes a _greater_ obligation on me, and on everyone who can be vaxxed, to get the jab. It’s an ongoing debate within the family, since I have a Trumpist loon brother who isn’t vaccinated, who would like to visit our father. The facility is now requiring proof of vaccination for visitors (and I wholeheartedly approve of that policy), and I’m pissed off at my brother for not doing this trivial, easy, painless thing so that he can visit our father. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/325 "2021-07-29T16:07:01Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > The facility is now requiring proof of vaccination for visitors (and I wholeheartedly approve of that policy), and I’m pissed off at my brother for not doing this trivial, easy, painless thing so that he can visit our father. It’s not 100% painless (though it’s not bad, my arm was just sore for a few days after each shot), but I imagine it’s less painful than massive [lung damage](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs). Holy crap that seems like a nightmare. 😧 ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/326 "2021-07-29T16:10:06Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > It’s not 100% painless No, I know. I should have said “relatively painless.” Although, for me, it _was_ painless. But I know some people have had pain, and some have felt pretty sick for a while after the shot. Compared to getting COVID, no big deal. Compared to passing COVID on to someone who can’t get vaxxed, _really_ no big fucking deal. ---
**Author:** ![StraightTalk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straighttalk/32/9982_2.png) [@StraightTalk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StraightTalk)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/327 "2021-07-29T20:55:46Z")
Do I want people to get sick and die? No. Do I think people deserve to get sick and die? No. But for those who don’t care about contributing to getting this pandemic over with or don’t care if they get someone else sick and they die, I just can’t bring myself to give a shit if they get sick and die themselves. In fact, it would be better if they did it sooner rather than later to reduce the number of human petri dishes there are for a new and worse variant to develop. Harsh? Probably. But I’m getting fed up. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/328 "2021-07-29T21:01:29Z")
> [@StraightTalk](#): > > Do I want people to get sick and die? No. > > Do I think people deserve to get sick and die? No. This is very much like that old joke where a guy dies by drowning and complains to god for not saving him from the storm flood. They were told to wear masks, social distance and get the vaccine. What fucking more do they want?? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/329 "2021-07-29T21:05:47Z")
The problem is they don’t just get sick and die, they get sick, go to the hospital, demand medical care, and only sometimes die. That they aren’t smart enough to understand that wearing masks, social distancing, and getting the vaccine is the medical care they need so they won’t get the Covid boggles the mind. I’m guessing that they think intubation is a nice vacation from breathing. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/330 "2021-07-29T21:06:35Z")
The secret is to pretend it’s Trump’s wang. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/331 "2021-07-29T21:07:59Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > they get sick, go to the hospital, demand medical care, and only sometimes die. Worse, they get sick, _infect others_ , go to the hospital, demand medical care, and only sometimes die. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/332 "2021-07-29T21:19:43Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > This is very much like that old joke where a guy dies by drowning and complains to god for not saving him from the storm flood. > > They were told to wear masks, social distance and get the vaccine. What fucking more do they want?? You mean this one, from this thread we’re in. > [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > A person hears that floods are coming and he should evacuate. He says no, I believe in God and he will save me. The rains come and it floods. > > He claims on to his room. A man in a boat comes by and offers to take him to safety. He says no, I believe in God and he will save me. > > A helicopter comes by and lowers a rope and asks him to climb aboard. He says no, I believe in God and he will save me. > > The man dies, and he goes up the pearly gates. And God says ‘You are an idiot’. Except the real punchline is… > [@pulykamell](#): > > The ending I’ve heard goes: “But God, I’ve been a good Christian and I prayed. Why didn’t you save me?” And God says: “I tried!! I sent a messenger, a boat, AND a helicopter!” We have those jokes/stories for a reason. They are damn good advice. There’s a whole Wikipedia article talking about the concept. It’s a really old concept that predates Christianity. > **[God helps those who help themselves](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helps_those_who_help_themselves)** > > The phrase "God helps those who help themselves" is a motto that emphasizes the importance of self-initiative and agency. The expression is known around the world and is used to inspire people for self-help. The phrase originated in ancient Greece as "the gods help those who help themselves" and may originally have been proverbial. It is illustrated by two of Aesop's Fables and a similar sentiment is found in ancient Greek drama. Although it has been commonly attributed to Benjamin Franklin, th... ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/333 "2021-07-29T21:25:07Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > You mean this one, from this thread we’re in. I can’t be expected to read EVERY post! 😳 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/334 "2021-07-29T21:25:55Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I can’t be expected to read EVERY post! 😳 Of course not, we’ve reached hundreds of posts in this thread now. My point was along the lines of “great minds think alike” or whatever. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/335 "2021-07-29T21:43:07Z")
Medical personnel are reporting that all the ICU beds in Arkansas are filled. They’ve called hospitals in 5 surrounding states and no one has room. Similar report out of Oklahoma. And they’re all COVID cases. People are stacking up in hallways waiting for beds. And they have no place to put those coming in for trauma treatment, heart attacks … Do these people understand that there is a _limit_ to space, equipment, and the ability of medical personnel to handle all this shit? ---
**Author:** ![Ranch\_Dip](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranch_dip/32/5238_2.png) [@Ranch\_Dip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranch_Dip)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/336 "2021-07-29T22:07:39Z")
> [@solost](#): > > Full disclosure: my wife has not gotten vaccinated yet. She’s not a trumpy (she hates him with a passion) or an anti-vaxxer otherwise. She’s been very responsible with mask-wearing and other Covid protocols thoughout the pandemic. She almost got vaxxed when she took our 15 yo to get the shot as soon as it was available to him, but she chickened out. > > Her reasoning is that she feels it was too rushed into use with insufficient testing. I disagree with her on this. Yes, I know all the arguments against this. She keeps sending me articles about someone who became paralyzed or got a dangerous clot soon after getting the shot, saying “See? See?” We’ve had many discussions that have come to argument, but she’s holding her ground for now. I’ve stopped pushing her on it since it does no good. As long as she is masking, social distancing, quarantining in place, all the things, I have no problem with that. Her reasoning is faulty. Not only do we have the trials, but we have MILLIONS of real world vaccinations. You know what gives you dangerous clots, long term neurological, and other problems, and DEATH? Covid. She is afraid, and I guess that’s how it is, I think it’s foolish. She may not be “trumpy” but if those are the arguments she is coming up with, she is “researching” in trump qanon territory. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/337 "2021-07-29T22:10:46Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Do these people understand that there is a _limit_ to space, equipment, and the ability of medical personnel to handle all this shit? No, they just understand that they will blame someone else for this avoidable health crisis. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/338 "2021-07-29T22:18:09Z")
> [@Ranch\_Dip](#): > > As long as she is masking, social distancing, quarantining in place, all the things, I have no problem with that. These things got us to 600,000 dead. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/339 "2021-07-29T22:18:37Z")
They want every word from their orange hero to be true because they buy into a lot of his BS since they also hold the same prejudices. That’s what they want. And fuck reality. ---
**Author:** ![Ranch\_Dip](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranch_dip/32/5238_2.png) [@Ranch\_Dip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranch_Dip)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/340 "2021-07-29T22:36:44Z")
Not true, it was those who were not doing their part, and an politician actively discouraging it, and having superspreader events nearly daily. Those people were not masking, distancing or staying home. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870.md?page=18)