# Shame on those that refuse the vaccine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870 "2021-07-20T01:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/381 "2021-08-02T18:31:17Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > … and blame Biden for not controlling the virus better. That’s the plan, of course. Just as the financial crisis of 2008 became the “Obama recession,” COVID will be blamed on Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/382 "2021-08-02T18:55:35Z")
\< MAGA nation swings hammer into own balls \> “My balls hurt” “It’s Biden’s fault” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/383 "2021-08-02T19:06:21Z")
[https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/01/us/covid-us-vaccine-wasted.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/01/us/covid-us-vaccine-wasted.html) > A survey of data from 10 states shows that about **one million doses have gone to waste** since the nation began administering Covid-19 vaccines in December. > > Much of the loss has come as demand for inoculations plummeted, with the daily rate of vaccinations now at less than one-fifth of its peak average of 3.4 million shots, reached in mid-April. > > More than 110,000 doses have been destroyed in Georgia, officials there said. Of the more than 53,000 doses wasted in New Jersey, nearly 20,000 were discarded in June, up from around 4,000 in April. Around 50,000 doses in Maryland were not used, officials said. > > In Ohio, state officials reported on July 20 that more than 370,000 doses have been reported as unusable by state providers. [**Update Aug. 2, 2021** : On Monday, the day after this article was originally published, a spokeswoman for the state health department revised the number downward to more than 230,000.] > > Reasons for vaccine wastage include breakage, storage and transportation problems, expiration, and shots that were prepared but not used after people did not show up for appointments, officials said. In many states, data shows that wasted or unusable doses are no more than about 2 percent of those received from the federal government and successfully administered. > … My bold. 🤦🏽‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/384 "2021-08-02T19:38:29Z")
> [@solost](#): > > I’ve encouraged my entire family to get the vaccine, and my son, who is very mature for a 15 year old, felt strongly that he should get it. My wife is not AGAINST the vaccine, she’s just afraid to get it, for her own reasons. She respected our son’s wishes, though she did worry about him getting it, especially when there were reports of young people getting some cases of heart inflammation after receiving the vaccine, in-between him getting his first and second shots. Tell her you are worried about your son growing up without a Mother, and ask her to help you make a list of women should you need to remarry. Either that will work, or she will kill you. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/385 "2021-08-02T19:53:00Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/3IiICcSH8iY/hqdefault.jpg "Funniest Joke I Ever Heard 1984 Jimmy Stewart") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IiICcSH8iY) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/386 "2021-08-02T20:43:05Z")
That’s one million out of something like 360 million successfully administered. That’s a pretty solid loss ratio. Some wastage is always inevitable, and with an operation as large as this, even very small percentages end up being really big numbers. It’s also not really related to vaccine refusers. Some portion of the wasted vaccines were due to people not showing up for appointments, but vaccine refusers aren’t going to be making many appointments in the first place. I’d assume most of the missed appointments were people who wanted the vaccine, and just had some sort of difficulty in getting to the appointment. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/387 "2021-08-02T20:47:37Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > The trouble there, of course, is that there is close to zero chance that you consider “not knowing a thing” to be a moral issue in the vast majority of circumstances. That’s only because “not knowing something” doesn’t normally result in the deaths of millions, prolonging a pandemic, and risking an escape mutation. When the harm is sufficiently high, sometimes “you should know better” becomes a valid argument. Consider the case of parents that refuse to get their child medical care because they believe in faith healing. If the child dies, they get brought in for homicide. It doesn’t matter that that they genuinely thought faith healing would work. We don’t say it’s okay because some charlatan convinced them. Now I would not prefer these people have to die. I would prefer they not even have to get sick. We’re already seeing an increase in vaccination rates in the worst affected places. But, if they do continue to refuse the vaccine, at a certain point, I don’t know what is left to convince them. And I very much think it is normal human behavior to want those who are killing others to instead be the ones who would die. It would obviously be wrong to kill them, but it’s a normal human reaction to those who kill to want them to be the ones who die instead. Our innate sense of justice calls for those who cause death to instead be the ones who die. As long as you don’t act on it, it’s not this horrible thing you make it out to be. If ignorance were always an excuse, you could be a perfectly moral person by refusing to learn anything. But then society could not function. No, you have a duty to knowledge in a society—at least enough knowledge that you don’t harm others. I wish their ignorance wasn’t a choice they made. Then education would be a solution. Instead, it largely seems that the only solution is fear of the consequences. And that, for some, that will only happen if they or a close loved one gets COVID-19 and has severe illness. I continue to try and fight ignorance, but I’m sure that I will not be able to affect those who are dead set on refusing. And, if they don’t listen, they’ll reap what they sow. Scientist are suggesting that anyone not vaccinated will likely get COVID-19 before this is over. They better hope they’re one of the lucky ones. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/388 "2021-08-02T20:49:42Z")
I didn’t click that link only because without doing so I can believe that the punchline is: “Your cunt is in the sink.” ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/389 "2021-08-02T20:52:57Z")
That’s a good point. “Wasting” 1 out of 360 actually seems really low, especially when considering the cooling requirements. If you had asked me to guess before seeing those numbers I would have thought 1% wastage reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/390 "2021-08-02T20:58:16Z")
I’ll just put this here: 0.07% is a standard to aim for. > **[Fewer than 1 of every 1,500 COVID shots wasted in Canada](https://www.ipolitics.ca/news/fewer-than-1-of-every-1500-covid-shots-wasted-in-canada)** > > Partway through the country’s effort to vaccinate as many Canadians as possible against COVID, fewer than one out of every 1,500 vaccine doses had gone to waste in Canada — a rate praised by the Public Health Agency of Canada in recently published... ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/391 "2021-08-02T20:58:37Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Some portion of the wasted vaccines were due to people not showing up for appointments, but vaccine refusers aren’t going to be making many appointments in the first place. Apparently, to stop others from getting their shots some would: [Canadian anti-vaxxers book fake COVID-19 vaccine appointments (skepticalraptor.com)](https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/canadian-anti-vaxxers-book-fake-covid-19-vaccine-appointments/) [Police start probing anti-vaxxers encouraging public to fake appointments | The Times of Israel](https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-said-probing-anti-vaxxers-encouraging-public-to-fake-appointments/) ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/392 "2021-08-02T21:09:25Z")
Wow, yeah, that’s obviously much better. They’ve administered way fewer doses over that time but I don’t know how much volume would change things. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/393 "2021-08-02T21:11:34Z")
It isn’t. Something to do with golf. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/394 "2021-08-02T21:13:30Z")
They’ve also had to administer doses to remote communities, including those in the far north. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/395 "2021-08-02T23:08:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Some wastage is always inevitable, and with an operation as large as this, even very small percentages end up being really big numbers. It’s also not really related to vaccine refusers. Yeah, that probably didn’t belong in this thread. My thinking was that vaccinations have fallen off and that has led to vaccine material expiring without being used. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/396 "2021-08-02T23:24:28Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > My thinking was that vaccinations have fallen off and that has led to vaccine material expiring without being used. From what I’ve read that actually is a major source of the wastage, over and above the inevitable small amount due to expected losses. As above, Canada’s wastage is around 0.07%, while the article says some states are experiencing 2% wastage. That’s a big difference. And I think part of it really is due to clinics not having any customers for vaccines, and them going past expiry. ---
**Author:** ![Ranch\_Dip](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranch_dip/32/5238_2.png) [@Ranch\_Dip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranch_Dip)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/397 "2021-08-03T00:00:49Z")
> [@Mr\_Hoogly](#): > > Surely under control is when its not (supposedly) a threat to the health systems? Which it isn’t and never was, until we made it so. Are you kidding? Last summer, in LA the hospitals were not allowing ambulances to bring pts in. It was treat in the ambulance or no treatment. They ran out of Propofol and were intubating conscious patients. Refrigerator trucks for the dead. REFRIGERATOR TRUCKS FOR THE DEAD. Fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/398 "2021-08-03T00:04:07Z")
Stolen from my Facebook feed: People that refuse to get vaccinated are now known by the term _spreadnecks_. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/399 "2021-08-03T00:07:54Z")
> [@Ranch\_Dip](#): > > Refrigerator trucks for the dead. REFRIGERATOR TRUCKS FOR THE DEAD. I remember last year when there were refrigerated trucks parked outside half the funeral homes in Brooklyn. I remember when, when my elderly father was quite sick (since recovered), we decided we’d set up a preplanned, prepaid funeral, since we were sure he was going to die quite soon, and we couldn’t even find a funeral home that would answer the phone. There are _still_ refrigerated trucks holding literally hundreds of bodies, parked on a pier in Sunset Park, here in Brooklyn. They’re unclaimed bodies that the city will have to bury on Hart’s Island, but so many died that burials there are _still_ backed up. It’s blatantly obvious what this soulless piece of trash is doing. Why is he still here? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/400 "2021-08-03T01:24:04Z")
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