# Shame on those that refuse the vaccine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870 "2021-07-20T01:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/603 "2021-08-12T21:10:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Get all of the vaccine hesitant folks in a state together in one place I think that already happened and they picked North Dakota. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/604 "2021-08-12T21:16:45Z")
Why not have doctors refuse patients that don’t get vaccinated so they can give the people who care to stay alive more attention? Is that against their oath? Fuck these people, they get what they ask for. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2021, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/605 "2021-08-12T21:17:45Z")
Not too far off. I just checked and almost 15% of N. Dakota’s population has been infected to date. About 50% of the population has been vaccinated,But about 16% of the population is under 12, so they can’t get vaccinated . so that leaves only about 140,000 more infections to go. That’s not much. Get all these folks together and let er rip! ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2021, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/606 "2021-08-12T21:30:58Z")
Look, I get it. Really I do. Darwin and all that. And they’re endangering others. But, there’s also this – my daughter is anti COVID vaccine, in spite of her mother and I making sure she had all the required (and some not required) vaccines when she was growing up. Yes, her attitude about this is stupid. Even though she is 31 years old, part of this is nothing more than immature posturing – no one tells her what to do. Part of it is her idiot husband who watches every stupid crackpot YouTube video he can get his thumbs on. He’s really not a moron, but he falls victim to these crazy conspiracy theories. And my daughter just described him as one of the smartest people she knows. (Yeah, she hangs around some pretty dumb people.) But, here’s the thing: She’s our daughter. We love her. We are scared to death for her. We also love our three grandchildren, all of whom are too young to receive the jabs. So, we worry. Any pushing from us will only push her further into her husband’s clutches. For him, it’s also a control game. For him, if he can use it as a wedge between her and her family, then so much the better. And it is a wedge. Our son and his wife are about to have their first child any day now. Understandably, they don’t want his sister to visit the newborn. If that comes to pass, that will be a further wedge and we may not ever seen our daughter or grandchildren again. And our son, as of today, is rather mad at us for not backing him 100% on this. (We believe that using masks, testing, etc., a compromise can be found.) So, while I get the sentiment, please remember that we’re talking about real, flesh-and-blood human beings here. And their mommies and daddies. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/607 "2021-08-12T21:44:48Z")
I get it. I think it’s mostly letting off steam. I cut people with that attitude out of my life, but none of my close family members are that way, fortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/608 "2021-08-12T23:57:37Z")
Would you feel the same way if your son-in-law like to drive 90 mph drunk out of his mind, and your daughter happily drove with him. With the kids in the back seat? And would you want your new grandchild to drive with them? It’s basically the same thing. Sometimes tough love is what is needed. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/609 "2021-08-13T02:15:56Z")
Good point, Voyager. I guess their son is right in taking a stand. I actually came back in here to say that they really should understand his POV. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/610 "2021-08-13T02:21:32Z")
> [@Drum\_God](#): > > And our son, as of today, is rather mad at us for not backing him 100% on this. (We believe that using masks, testing, etc., a compromise can be found.) The thing is, and I mean this kindly, that it’s not up to you. If your son and his wife don’t want unvaccinated people around their newborn, that’s reasonable, and no compromise is needed. “Backing him” doesn’t mean you agree, merely that you support his right to make that decision. I’m willing to bet that’s all he really wants from you: support for his right to make that decision. My heart goes out to you. I can only imagine the stress and heartache involved here. But this is a two-way street: is your daughter worried about losing YOU? Her dad? Her brother? ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/611 "2021-08-13T03:12:51Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > My heart goes out to you. I can only imagine the stress and heartache involved here. But this is a two-way street: is your daughter worried about losing YOU? Her dad? Her brother? To directly answer your question, no, she is not worried about losing us. Long ago, she has made it clear that she will follow whoever the man is in her life. She is someone who can write people out of her life. There are many reasons why she is this way and this forum is not the place for that discussion, but it is what it is. You’re right, it isn’t up to us. In fact, my wife and I agree that we shouldn’t be involved in this conversation at all. But, again, here we are. Yes, this is difficult for our family. Everyone else important in our lives have gotten the jabs. My daughter and her husband are the only reality-deniers. It frustrates us and worries us, but it doesn’t make us love her any less. My point in joining this conversation is just to remind everyone that “Fuck 'em who won’t get the shot!” is not really a great position, either. Thinning the herd means that my own daughter will be among the thinned. That’s pretty tough to take. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/612 "2021-08-13T04:10:12Z")
Of course it is. And it’s always easier for people to condemn in the abstract. I hope your daughter and her [manipulative husband see the light. I hope they don’t get severe cases of COVID. I hope they don’t infect anyone else. And I hope they recognize the true worth of family and of good parents like you. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/613 "2021-08-13T06:42:31Z")
no Mod note or warning for calling people “retarded”? Weird. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/614 "2021-08-13T09:56:38Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I think that already happened and they picked North Dakota. I read yesterday that something like 50% of South Dakota has already had COVID and has some natural immunity. The Sturgis motorcycle festival is coming (again), which was a huge superspreader event last year. Scientists are saying we’re about to get some real-world data on whether natural immunity is more effective than the vaccine or not. Some are betting it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/615 "2021-08-13T12:14:51Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > Is that against their oath? Yes. But it’s understandable that those who suffer from [compassion fatigue](https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/can-providers-be-blamed-for-losing-patience-with-vaccine-hesitant-) might be tempted to let them suffer anyway. > [@Slash1972](#): > > no Mod note or warning for calling people “retarded”? Weird. Did anyone report it? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/616 "2021-08-13T12:56:09Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > ‘Spreadnecks.’ > > That is all. Congratulations on winning the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/617 "2021-08-13T14:38:38Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > The Sturgis motorcycle festival is coming (again) It actually started last Friday, the 6th, and ends on Sunday the 15th. Meanwhile, of course, the Cyber Symposium is happening a few hundred miles away. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/618 "2021-08-13T15:28:23Z")
So one side’s mad because they’re getting called names; the people calling them names are angry because their lives and health are endangered by their stupidity and unwillingness to be a good citizen. There’s a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/619 "2021-08-13T15:42:27Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I read yesterday that something like 50% of South Dakota has already had COVID and has some natural immunity. Perhaps you could cite this for us. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/620 "2021-08-13T15:49:23Z")
Great, man. Thanks for reading. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/621 "2021-08-13T19:50:12Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Perhaps you could cite this for us. Why would I invest an ounce of effort to entertain a goalpost-rolling sealion like yourself? You have nothing to offer here. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/622 "2021-08-13T20:19:57Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Perhaps you could cite this for us. A fairly recent study puts this number at 31%. This does not include those who are vaccinated, as apparently you can tell: "“This is antibodies from the virus, not to the vaccine and there’s a way to distinguish that,” Carson said during the webinar. " > **[One study shows 31% South Dakota population has been previously infected with...](https://www.keloland.com/keloland-com-original/one-study-shows-31-south-dakota-population-has-been-previously-infected-with-covid-19/)** > > SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (KELO) — Nearly one of three South Dakotans have been previously infected with COVID-19, an on-going study by the National Institutes of Health shows. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870.md?page=32)