# Shame on those that refuse the vaccine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870 "2021-07-20T01:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/884 "2021-09-23T19:02:04Z")
> [@Esprise\_Me](#): > > Eh, I give him some credit for being able to admit he was wrong. There have been reports by nurses in COVID wards of patients continuing to insist, with their last breath, that it’s all a hoax. People whose loved ones died still don’t believe it. Many times, the family won’t want covid even listed on the death certificate. > **[In one Missouri county, coroner excludes COVID from death certificate if...](https://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/state_news/in-one-missouri-county-coroner-excludes-covid-from-death-certificate-if-family-asks/article_c0c116dc-f48f-11eb-be9d-976f33052ae4.html)** > > The virus is as much a political issue as a personal tragedy for some families, who don’t want COVID-19 on an official record ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/885 "2021-09-23T19:22:07Z")
> [@Esprise\_Me](#): > > People whose loved ones died still don’t believe it. "Dad was a crisis actor! He was never actually real!!!11! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/886 "2021-09-23T19:24:30Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Esprise\_Me](#): > > > > People whose loved ones died still don’t believe it. > > "Dad was a crisis actor! He was never actually real!!!11! - Not new. > **[A Parkland shooting survivor's dad found QAnon and is now convinced the...](https://www.businessinsider.com/parkland-survivor-qanon-convinced-dad-shooting-was-hoax-2021-7)** > > The survivor of the 2018 school shooting in Parkland, Florida, told VICE News that his dad became engrossed in QAnon during the COVID-19 pandemic. ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/887 "2021-09-23T19:37:22Z")
Shut. Up. I’m so done with people. Good lord. ::flips desk and storms out:: ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/888 "2021-09-23T20:08:19Z")
We’re doomed, aren’t we? ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/889 "2021-09-23T21:50:47Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/idaho-nurse-who-refused-covid-vaccine-dies-brother/ar-AAOFHNh?ocid=Peregrine&li=BBnb7Kz) > > > An Idaho nurse who refused the COVID-19 vaccine, and encouraged her family to do the same, even after her COVID-infected mother went into a coma, has died, according to her brother. > > > > Daryl Rise told CNN that his older sister Natalie Rise was a [victim of disinformation] > > > > “She was telling me not to get vaccinated,” Daryl Rise said. “I think it was from misinformation, I think it was falling into negative social media and bloggers, YouTubers.” > > I don’t get it. Take a scroll through the HermanCainAward subreddit, slideshows of anti-vaxxer postings starting with clever anti-vax/mask memes followed by family updates on their hospitalization and death from Covid. I think I saw Kristen there, but it’s hard to remember because there are so many and they are all so similar. But somehow a visit there helps dissipate the rage these people inspire. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/890 "2021-09-23T22:20:36Z")
The latest conspiracy theory is that Covid doesn’t kill, hospitals do. Apparently hospitals are killing people maliciously by putting them on ventilators instead of deworming them. > **[Stressed Healthcare Workers Face Another Threat: Harassment](https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/94532)** > > 'This puts healthcare workers in harm's way ... at a time when they are sorely needed' ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/891 "2021-09-23T22:32:28Z")
Yep, from the FB comments on the local news sources, they’ve now pivoted to: - They aren’t using early interventions that work - And any time someone dies “what were their comorbities?” It’s not the rona, it’s the diabeetus. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/892 "2021-09-24T00:37:58Z")
Here are a couple brand recent comments: > [@](#): > > Ventilators are fatal for up to 80% of elderly patients. > Use therapeutic medicine like the other countries. > US has more death per capita blamed on Covid than 133 other countries. > We are doing it wrong. > [@](#): > > So out of 74 cases 33 were completed vaccinated. The others they are saying were unvaccinated they should give the entire report. Did they have one vaccine? Both vaccines but not the 14 days post vaccine? > This is all important information. Fuck ALL Y’ALL vaccine “skeptics”. You are killing us. You are fucking trash! If there is a god, you aren’t getting through those pearly gates. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/893 "2021-09-24T01:50:02Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > Take a scroll through the HermanCainAward subreddit, slideshows of anti-vaxxer postings starting with clever anti-vax/mask memes I really feel like “clever” should be in sarcasti-quotes here. I’ve looked at a lot of the Herman Cain Awards posts, and their memes are only “clever” by the standards of stupid fucking plague rats. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/894 "2021-09-24T15:54:00Z")
A recent Twitter post by a prominent antivaxer linked to a story about an unvaccinated nurse who died of Covid-19 in the hospital. Without any evidence of how she was treated, this guy spun the story as being an unnecessary death due to lack of early administration of one or more of the “miracle” drugs like ivermectin. This same nitwit triumphantly linked to a WHO website which listed ivermectin as a drug of key importance. Which it is - _for parasitic infections_. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/895 "2021-09-24T16:45:11Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Without any evidence of how she was treated, this guy spun the story as being an unnecessary death due to lack of early administration of one or more of the “miracle” drugs like ivermectin. Let’s do a cost-benefit analysis here. Cost of vaccination: $0. Yeah, the feds are paying for the vaccine and the administration, meaning you’re paying for it indirectly through your taxes. (but, hey, look at it this way - you’re already paying for it, might as well use it!) Cost of “miracle drugs”: \> $0 for the drug (I’m assuming ivermectin is relatively cheap, but I may be wrong) + ICU room (if available) + doctors fees. Get the damned shot. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/896 "2021-09-24T16:51:40Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > (I’m assuming ivermectin is relatively cheap, but I may be wrong) I hear apple flavor is a bit more pricey . . . but worth it! ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/897 "2021-09-24T16:57:38Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > (I’m assuming ivermectin is relatively cheap, but I may be wrong) Looks like the human version is $3-$5 per standard dose. Haven’t heard anything so far about shortages or price gouging. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/898 "2021-09-24T17:54:51Z")
Shortages of ivermectin have been cropping up around the U.S. this month. Horse owners have been affected. Pharmacies have run out. > **[Ivermectin disappears from pharmacies amid health warnings, but it's due to...](https://www.postregister.com/news/local/ivermectin-disappears-from-pharmacies-amid-health-warnings-but-its-due-to-demand-based-shortage/article_a6637033-6f86-5250-8c82-7a8b6aaef6c1.html)** > > BOISE — Since the U.S. Centers for Disease Control issued an official health advisory Aug. 26 against using ivermectin, an anti-parasite drug, to prevent or treat COVID-19, Idaho has seen From the N.Y. Times: “Prescriptions for ivermectin have seen a sharp rise in recent weeks, jumping to more than [88,000 per week](https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/2021/han00449.asp) in mid-August from a prepandemic baseline average of 3,600 per week, according to researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.” Beyond prescriptions, OTC sales of ivermectin from feed stores and the like have been booming. It’s been reported that a single tablet of ivermectin has been selling for as high as the equivalent of $34.25 U.S., in South Africa. Manufacturer Merck must be rolling in dough, even as it discourages human use of ivermectin to treat Covid-19. Those of us in the know, of course, realize that Merck is downplaying ivermectin because it has far more lucrative anti-Covid-19 drugs in the pipeline. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/899 "2021-09-24T18:05:17Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Shortages of ivermectin have been cropping up around the U.S. this month. Horse owners have been affected. Pharmacies have run out. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/900 "2021-09-24T18:51:53Z")
There are three feed and grain stores within an hour drive from my home in central AZ where cattle are king. Because I like to point and laugh, I have kept an eye on the ivermection stock in those stores. About a month ago, prices doubled and starting about three weeks ago there has been none to be found. Even the sheep dip is gone. Just a very small data point in a large country, but interesting. I live in the land of idiots and sometimes think I don’t drink enough. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/901 "2021-09-24T19:51:07Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > I live in the land of idiots and sometimes think I don’t drink enough. Kittens. You need more kittens. We all do. Drinks too, for those who can. ---
**Author:** ![Bonum\_Legatum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bonum_legatum/32/6183_2.png) [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/902 "2021-09-24T19:53:22Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Yep, from the FB comments on the local news sources, they’ve now pivoted to: > > - They aren’t using early interventions that work > - And any time someone dies “what were their comorbities?” I’ve mentioned this before, but it bears repeating. There are a lot of people bringing up comorbidities who are not really interested in cormorbidities as much as they want to believe that THEY are immune because they don’t have whatever…these are frightened people - frightened of both the virus and the vaccine and they are looking for some way to avoid both. I don’t know any way to get through this wall of fear and reach these people. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/903 "2021-09-24T19:55:02Z")
> [@Bonum\_Legatum](#): > > cormorbidities I’m really curious what percentage of the US population doesn’t have at least one comorbidity. Also, if you add kittens to a shaken drink you need to double strain. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870.md?page=46)