# Shame on those that refuse the vaccine **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870 "2021-07-20T01:15:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/964 "2021-09-30T04:50:00Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Wait, what? Where? I’d love to see this! [https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00334-5/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00334-5/fulltext) The bottom line: > _Interpretation:_ Parasite co-infection is associated with a reduced risk of severe COVID-19 in African patients. Parasite-driven immunomodulatory responses may mute hyper-inflammation associated with severe COVID-19. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/965 "2021-09-30T10:22:51Z")
So the next big viral anti-viral will be quacks selling live mail-order internal parasite larvae. If you don’t want the vax, it’s just the thing for you. That’s gotta be more palatable than huffing hydro peroxide. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/966 "2021-09-30T17:28:49Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > _Interpretation:_ Parasite co-infection is associated with a reduced risk of severe COVID-19 in African patients. Parasite-driven immunomodulatory responses may mute hyper-inflammation associated with severe COVID-19. OMG. Next minute you know, you’ll have people going to the ER with explosive diarrhea and prolapsed assholes. They do an ova and parasite and find whipworm. Newsflash: “Whipworm Epidemic in Central Nevada. Authorities Currently Questioning Local Naturopath.” ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/967 "2021-10-01T14:12:24Z")
A group of NYC school teachers is appealing to the Supreme Court to block the city’s vaccine mandate for teachers. "The order is unfair, they said, because it does not apply to other city employees who routinely deal with the public, including firefighters and police officers. Teachers, by contrast, “maintain close indoor contact with children, who are dramatically less susceptible to illness from Covid.” > **[New York teachers ask Supreme Court to block vaccination mandate](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/new-york-teachers-ask-supreme-court-block-vaccine-mandate-n1280515)** > > A group of teachers is challenging the city order, saying thousands of public school employees will be forced out of work if it remains in effect. These teachers are ignoring the huge surge in pediatric Covid cases (as of mid-September, they were up 240% since July) and a marked increase in child hospitalizations due to Covid as the delta variant spreads. > **[Pediatric Hospitals Are At Their Breaking Points as COVID-19 Surges](https://time.com/6092446/pediatric-covid-19-surge/)** > > It's a tragic new chapter of the pandemic ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/968 "2021-10-01T14:52:54Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > These teachers are ignoring the huge surge in pediatric Covid cases (as of mid-September, they were up 240% since July) and a marked increase in child hospitalizations due to Covid as the delta variant spreads. I think this is important for people to pay attention to, and difficult to adjust to… The delta variant isn’t necessarily more likely to infect kids than the previous versions of Covid, but it’s more likely to infect _everyone_, and kids under 12 can’t get vaccinated yet. That makes them more vulnerable, proportionately, than the same time last year. > **[How The Delta Variant Affects Children](https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030430471/how-the-delta-variant-affects-children)** > > NPR's Ari Shapiro speaks to Dr. Roberta DeBiasi of Children's National Hospital on the coronavirus variant delta's impact on children. > But again, if you have a larger number of cases overall and you apply that percentage, you’re going to see children hospitalized. And that’s really the most important take home for families is that there’s nothing particularly more dangerous about the delta variant for children, but it has always remained a danger. And what we’re seeing is that the children that are hospitalized are, for the most part - and adults as well are, for the most part, people that are not vaccinated, whether that’s because they’ve chosen not to be vaccinated or if they are just in an age group that has not yet had access. I’d be pretty pissed off if my kid got infected from an unvaccinated teacher. I think they do have a point about other city employees not having a vaccine mandate. They should as well. But that should be the takeaway, not a suggestion that teachers shouldn’t be required to vaccinate. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/969 "2021-10-01T15:09:23Z")
Ironically, teachers’ unions have been pushing for teachers to get vaccinated against Covid-19 (and lobbying for them to be near the front of the line for getting shots), while some union members are resisting vaccination. > **[Inside the vaccination fight that’s dividing teachers unions](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/17/teachers-unions-coronavirus-vaccine-505610)** > > Teacher vaccine mandates seem foreign in Miami as the virus tears through Florida, the area’s union president acknowledged. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/970 "2021-10-01T15:11:05Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I think they do have a point about other city employees not having a vaccine mandate. They should as well. But that should be the takeaway, not a suggestion that teachers shouldn’t be required to vaccinate. The difference is that most interactions with other city employees are short. You get pulled over by a policeman, you’re in contact with them for 20 minutes, most of that is outside. Your house catches fire, the fireman is there for an hour, maybe 4 if it’s a big fire. And you’re outside. You go to the city clerk’s office to get a copy of a form, you’re spending a lot more time in close proximity to other people waiting on the clerk than you are in close proximity to the clerk, and the clerk is probably spending most of their time in a big room with a couple other people. With teachers, the teacher is in close proximity to children in a small room with questionable ventilation for 6 hours. They are in closer contact to multiple sources for a longer period of time in a smaller area. More chances to infect; more chances to be infected. Not saying that there shouldn’t be mandates for other city workers, just that mandates for teachers is more important. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/971 "2021-10-01T17:40:36Z")
Plus it was just a couple of weeks ago where we had the story of the COVID19 infected teacher who took off her mask to read to her students and infected half the class. ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/972 "2021-10-01T18:00:41Z")
Plus, anyone getting pulled over by a cop or conducting transactions at City Hall is old enough to get vaccinated. Many students aren’t, so they need their adults to get vaccinated more than the rest of us do. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/973 "2021-10-02T11:49:16Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > A group of NYC school teachers is appealing to the Supreme Court to block the city’s vaccine mandate for teachers. Sotomayor nixes that request. > **[Supreme Court Allows NYC’s Teacher Vaccine Mandate To Take Effect](https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/10/01/supreme-court-allows-nycs-teacher-vaccine-mandate-to-take-effect/?sh=45c3e425605f)** > > Unvaccinated school employees will be removed from the city’s payroll Monday. > [@](#): > > Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor declined to halt New York City’s public school vaccine mandate Friday, allowing the nation’s largest school district to move forward with plans to remove unvaccinated teachers and other employees from the payroll next week ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2021, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/974 "2021-10-03T01:24:40Z")
Good. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/975 "2021-10-04T14:00:38Z")
Wait, what’s the process by which a single justice can deny a request? I thought everything the Supreme Court did required at least a few justices to agree (even if we don’t always know which ones it was). ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/976 "2021-10-04T14:05:52Z")
I think this will explain the emergency process by which one can appeal to a particular Supreme Court justice who has oversight over a particular circuit. > **[reportersguide.pdf](https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/reportersguide.pdf)** > > 271.27 KB ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/977 "2021-10-04T15:33:21Z")
Interesting. Reading over that it sounds vaguely familiar, so I may have simply forgotten that was a thing. Also, today I learned that the Supreme Court has guides specifically for reporters which outline the procedures and policies of the court. That’s brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/978 "2021-10-04T16:30:48Z")
I think I’ve figured it out. The anti-vaxxers give lots of excuses (and any excuse will do, no matter how ridiculous) to give themselves the fortitude to keep going, to achieve their goal. They’re the equivalent of suicide bombers. They no longer want to live in a world where non-whites have actual power, where women aren’t controlled by men, and where gays and transfolk can openly be gay and trans. And if they take out a bunch of people who are fine with these things, so much the better. Excuses: > **[Doctors grow frustrated over COVID-19 denial, misinformation](https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-misinformation-health-433991ea434e12ccfdf97b5db415310d)** > > The COVID-19 patient's health was deteriorating quickly at a Michigan hospital, but he was having none of the doctor's diagnosis. Despite dangerously low oxygen levels, the unvaccinated man didn't think he was that sick and got so irate over a... ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/979 "2021-10-04T16:42:46Z")
Ugh why do these dipshits even go to the hospital? Leave the beds to those who need them, if you’re so healthy. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/980 "2021-10-04T18:55:00Z")
> [@Esprise\_Me](#): > > why do these dipshits even go to the hospital? Leave the beds to those who need them, if you’re so healthy I think it’s entirely logically consistent with their other manifestations of narcissism, petulance, solipsism, sociopathy, and ignorance. To their _great_ credit (\) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/981 "2021-10-18T21:15:40Z")
This State trooper wasn’t covid vaccinated and died from covid. According to his chief, he died “in the line of duty”. Hmm. > **[Washington state trooper who died of COVID hadn’t been vaccinated yet, family...](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/washington-state-trooper-who-died-of-covid-hadnt-been-vaccinated-yet-family-says/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark)** > > Washington State Patrol Trooper Eric Gunderson, known for his valuable video footage in the Amtrak train-crash investigation at DuPont, wasn't vaccinated yet when he died of COVID-19, his family said in a statement. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/982 "2021-10-19T04:44:47Z")
Oh, I know anti-vaxxers who are feminists, opposed to racism, and pro-LGBTQ. Scientists warning about climate change? They’re right, and people should listen! Scientists insisting vaccines are safe? They’re in the pocket of “Big Pharma!” Pass the apple cider vinegar and that shungite! Of course, I know conservative anti-vaxxers as well, and they’re all “The government can’t tell ME what to do!” One of them got COVID and was hospitalized for 10 days. Her family asked for prayers. She’s home now but far from well. She still won’t get vaccinated, but at least she’s done a 180 on “COVID isn’t that bad. Doctors are lying on death certificates.” ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870/983 "2021-10-19T11:48:26Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > She still won’t get vaccinated, but at least she’s done a 180on “COVID isn’t that bad. Doctors are lying on death certificates.” So they (Big Pharma/Big Vaxx/Deep State) partially got to her - that’s why you shouldn’t go to the hospital! Good thing she got released when she did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shame-on-those-that-refuse-the-vaccine/946870.md?page=50)